Comments Thread For: De La Hoya on DAZN Frustrations: 'They're Not Living Up To Their Contract'

[PBR Streetgang]

I think DAZN is all about casuals market, they could care less about hardcores.

I don't know for a fact but I think they intended to be a legitimate presence in boxing but they overpaid for alot of talent that didnt have the ability to generate additional subscriptions. Canelo cost a fortune but he typically fights twice a year and people will probably cancel their service in between fights.

I think one problem is that they placed the wrong people in decision-making positions and assumed throwing money around would solve the politics and nuance of the sport. Additionally, they probably over-estimated the US market for boxing.

I'm no fan of the PPV model but it is an easier sell to entice casuals. The subscription service needs larger, more consistent numbers than what they were getting. They had a huge overhead and in order to generate sales, they got desperate looking for the additional subscription surge (e.g. youtube fights and waiting for UFC fights to end before allowing Canelo to fight Kovalev).

That's my opinion anyway.

[PBR Streetgang]

Disappointing and we the fans are the ones left sitting outside in the dark wondering where did everyone go. We are willing to pay for the fights, they just have to produce them.

I wouldn't mind a streaming service that operated as a free agent for promotions to air cards. Alot of these promotions have fighters that need cards to get fights on. PBC has FS1, Fox and Showtime but how many of their fighters get on-site exposure with the limited air-time and dates available. Same with GBP or some of these other promotions.

I don't know the business of how it could work but it could allow everyone to benefit. I'm a boxing fan and I just want to be able to watch as many live fights as possible.

[NachoMan]

Pretty easy to make a comment, if you're confident you speak truth! I just want to know if they do not consider Callum Smith and Billy Joe Saunders elite? Both have titles and are undefeated. GGG has losses on his record, and barely beat Dervy, so how is he acceptable for full pay, and not the undefeated champions?

I'm not speaking for DAZN obviously, nor do I necessarily agree with their positions regarding Canelo's opponents, but its not about skills or quality, but rather marketability. I think Callum Smith is a real threat to Canelo (BJS not so much), but those guys do not rate at all with GGG with regard to their name value. DAZN is not trying to make competitive fights that don't sell subscriptions.

[Combat Talk Radio]

I get all of that. I get that boxing is a business. I am asking you, who would your or DAZN consider worthy as an opponent for Canelo. BASED ON YOUR TERMS AND DEFINITIONS. Who would you put in with Canelo in order to fulfill all those requirements? Who does DAZN have in mind then so that Canelo can get paid what his contract states?

They already gave names, bro.

Oscar De La Hoya or GGG are the only two actual live bodies they consider premium.

Outside of that, Masvidal only because he's a name in UFC.

I guarantee you if someone in that room named McGregor, they'd say "yup, premium".

Maravilla? "yup, premium".

Floyd rematch? "yup, premium".

Manny at a catchweight? "yup, premium".

KSI? "yup, premium".

Logan Paul? "yup, premium".

A 168 Chino? "yup, premium".

An unretired Ward? "yup, premium".

Now what's the pattern?

It's guys they can hype a return or a "once in a lifetime" fight with, OR that have large followings in their home country or online.

Given that criteria you can easily see what their priority is.

[Verus]

I'm not on this legal stuff and I don't know what is on the contract, I'm the guy who only knows and likes to chat about boxing, but if this is true then "daaaamn"..

I think DAZN is all about casuals market, they could care less about hardcores.

DAZN is run by incompetents who are clueless about boxing and the economics of boxing. They are both disrespecting and harming the sport. Canelo and boxing itself is better off ditching both DAZN and Oscar De La Hoya.

[Verus]

Canelo will end up taking a paycut and will STFU.. he has no leg to stand on at all.

Canelo is in a much better legal position than either DAZN, Oscar or GB. DAZN management and Oscar are going to come out looking like semi-moronic clowns if this goes to trial.

[theface07]

Boxing fans have been drinking all along. They used to sell bottle beer at the fights. Now they just throw plastic cups.

Like Broner vs Maidana?
That was hilarious.

[GhostofDempsey]

Canelo wanted to mess around and deny GGG a third fight, insisted he had nothing to prove. Did he not realize that would be his most lucrative fight? He won’t fight Andrade, and Charlo is content to hide behind Uncle Al. In the end this hurts boxing fans who were getting a great deal subscribing to DAZN, I know I got my money’s worth in a year of good fights for just $100.

[theface07]

A lot of members on the forum are confused. They think this is about Canelo wanting the full pay compensation.

It was documented that Canelo was willing to take a 30% cut, not a 50% cut.

So DAZN’s move was 20%. Keep in mind DAZN did approve Canelo’s request of a 30% cut for the Smith, BJS names. DAZN still wanted the 50% cut for these fighters because they weren’t “premier” fights.

Look at European Leagues and their propaganda. Messi and Ronaldo agreed to a 70% for 4 months only. The difference is that these footballers were STILL MAKING money and now back to their full salaries. Those reports for football was just due diligence PR and corporate responsibility to get consumers STILL loyal to football ratings or subs for whatever European platform.

Canelo however, is already in the CLEAR months post pandemic the way these footballers are now in the clear to receive their usual pay. Point is why does DAZN have to apply previous pandemic circumstances for Q4? Canelo already lost a May date as did DAZN. Canelo brings the numbers. DAZN is just being selfish and insecure. They want a spectacle fight against a UFC fighter to make higher deliverance. That’s like the European leagues making the Final Championship games sooner for what? Quicker financial recovery?

Canelo will win the case.

Did Canelo and his camp not want to fight Yildirim next though?
Nobody wanted to see that fight. It certainly wouldn't have been worth what DAZN paid for Canelo.
I've always been suspect of DAZN. I don't think they knew what they were doing when they acted on their flawed business model and presented Canelo with the most lucrative contract in pro sports history. It's their fault they're being sued if they did indeed try to manipulate the terms of the contract including per fight guarantees but Canelo is still being greedy and clearly cares more about getting every penny while strategically chooses his opponents than continuing his career in the ring. Sure he only wants what he claims he's owed but his priorities are clear. Money comes before everything else even if you're already ****** rich. It is what it is.

[PRchamp]

Canelo is being utterly self centered, indefatigable, which implies he care not for the overall health of the sport which has bowed and sc****d to him on many occasions.
The standard was initally set by European football stars who willingly took pay cuts along with back rrom staff to keep the game on life support.
DAZN had no idea this pandemic was coming, no one did, and most reasonable people realise what was is not what is.

Except for Alvarez. I have always thaought he was a bit of a ******, but this completely confirms it for me.

If the P4P rankings included depth of character then Canelo would be outta there. Selfish f*^k. He's still going to be receiving megabucks for fighting just twice a year, and only once a year is he expected to fight someone who is respectable.

I don't care who he fights, as long as it's against an opponent who isn't on their way to journeyman or heavy bag status. The GGG fight doesn't interest me anymore as Golovkin is nearing 40, and Canelo has his number, do it will be entertaining but a decision for carrott boy.
Saunders, or Smith are decent opponents, as are Charlo, Munguia, Andrade, and a whole host of young fighters.

But we know Canelo will pick according to the Mayweather business model: Get ém while they're coming off a tough fight, make weight demands, dictate everything from ring size, to gloves, referees, judges, ring walk, and even what toilet paper is to be used.

I hope the bum loses and has to cough up most of what he's earn't in legal fees - that will force him to take the riskiest fights for the biggest rewards - unless he is happy fighting Ryoto Murata's and Rocky Fieldings until retirement.

Canelo is a good fighter but I agree. He should be thanking Golden Boy for giving those gift decisions in Vegas. Plus let’s not forget the shady **** Team Canelo pulled on All star Boxing when they just let Golden Boy take Canelo without even honoring all star boxing contract. I don’t know how canelo is worth $35 million a fight?