Why did Floyd get bullied by Maidana

[_Maxi]

Bigger and younger? Yes, however Canelo doesn't fight anything like Marcos Maidana. Canelo is a counter-puncher by nature whereas Maidana just attacks and swarms you. Also, sometimes a guy simply has a great night. If anything Maidana deserves credit for pushing Floyd as much as he did and Mayweather deserves credit for clearing things up in the rematch.

Maidana did against Floyd exactly what he did against Broner. Exactly the same.

The difference was that against Broner he was allowed to use punchers gloves.

I'm not saying he would have KOed Floyd. But he would have won at least 6-7 rounds instead of 5, with his gloves.

[whollisboxing]

I don't really agree with much of that

Alexander absolutely schooled Maidana, he shut him out, that fight was not close

there was a noticeable difference in class between Alexander and Maidana... and Mayweather is waaaaay better than Alexander

of course he came on under Garcia, but they only had 2 years together... Maidana was essentially the same fighter, just a little improved and a little more well-rounded

Maidana fought Lopez, Broner, then Mayweather... immediately following Lopez, NOBODY suggested that Maidana could be a suitable opponent for Mayweather, and NOBODY would have given him a snowballs chance in hell of winning...

Maidana was a cherry-pick... there were 8 welterweights ranked higher than Maidana in 2014, and Mayweather was also the JMW champion... he could have fought anyone

and I remember the climate very clearly, because I was interested in who Mayweather was going to fight next... the question about Maidana being a suitable opponent for Mayweather was first asked the same night that Maidana beat Mayweather Jnr... I challenge you to find print mentioning Maidana for Mayweather, before the Broner fight

remember the fan poll that Mayweather ran early 2014... ?

Amir Khan won, and everyone expected Mayweather to fight him... the outrage was hilarious, I remember very clearly

at the time, I thought Khan was a better opponent than Maidana, but I hoped that Floyd would choose someone better than Khan... Maidana had nothing that Mayweather had not already seen, Khan had speed

Maidana was always a fun fighter, but even the Broner win did not really catapult him that highly in fans estimation... he really only became regarded as a top fighter, and genuine contender, after the first Mayweather fight... where Floyd was 8/1 favorite

and there were question marks over Broner, he was not a genuine welter... prior to that fight, Broner jumped straight from lightweight and sc****d past Malignaggi

I agree that Maidana was granite-tough and he had excellent intangibles, and you're right he was more well-rounded under Garcia... but he was only realistically in that fight because Mayweather fought him flat-footed... go watch the tape, Mayweather approached the rematch very differently... he boxed that boy, instead of trying to stay in front of him and walk him down

he fought Cotto the same way

Honestly I believe Floyd chose Maidana because Chino was riding high after beating the supposed heir to Mayweather's throne (Adrien Broner, although we know how that turned out).

Maidana's win over Broner made a Mayweather fight extremely marketable and for a fighter named "Money" it makes perfect sense.

[whollisboxing]

Maidana did against Floyd exactly what he did against Broner. Exactly the same.

The difference was that against Broner he was allowed to use punchers gloves.

I'm not saying he would have KOed Floyd. But he would have won at least 6-7 rounds instead of 5, with his gloves.

If you're saying that Maidana would have done more damage then I can understand the argument. If anything "puncher's gloves" would help you score a KO more than they would help you win a decision because gloves don't help you with anything outside of punching.

[_Maxi]

If you're saying that Maidana would have done more damage then I can understand the argument. If anything "puncher's gloves" would help you score a KO more than they would help you win a decision because gloves don't help you with anything outside of punching.

If you can hurt your opponent more you can also have him perform worse, tentative, have him wobbling, etc, and win more rounds...
Yes he would have caused more damage.

Imagine the punch of R3/4 of the rematch with his normal glove. Maybe a KD.

[whollisboxing]

If you can hurt your opponent more you can also have him perform worse, tentative, have him wobbling, etc, and win more rounds...
Yes he would have caused more damage.

Imagine the punch of R3/4 of the rematch with his normal glove. Maybe a KD.

I get it, and one could also argue that perhaps Floyd plays it extra safe if Maidana has his gloves of choice. There are so many variables that it's impossible to know for sure.

For example, Mayweather probably doesn't even try that pull counter at the end of the round where he got caught if he feels that Maidana is more dangerous.

[IronDanHamza]

Prime Floyd is a super featherweight. 38 old Duran won a middleweight title against Barkley.

Yes, I believe 38 old Duran would destroy prime Floyd. Floyd would just be far too small.

.....Ok then, a “past prime” 2007 version of Floyd.

You are smoking crack if you think a 37 year old Duran has even a remote chance of beating that version of Mayweather.

You are aware that a 32 year old Duran lost to Kirkland Laing right? And a 35 year old Duran lost to Robbie Sims?

[IronDanHamza]

Maidana did against Floyd exactly what he did against Broner. Exactly the same.

The difference was that against Broner he was allowed to use punchers gloves.

I'm not saying he would have KOed Floyd. But he would have won at least 6-7 rounds instead of 5, with his gloves.

Yeah except Broner’s defense is garbage and he was getting hit at will.

Apples and oranges again.

[_Maxi]

Yeah except Broner’s defense is garbage and he was getting hit at will.

Apples and oranges again.

Floyd was getting hit a lot too that's why he lost 4 of the first 6.

[IronDanHamza]

Floyd was getting hit a lot too that's why he lost 4 of the first 6.

He was getting hit yes, not “a lot”. Broner was getting hit at will. Big difference.

And Floyd losing 4 of the first 6 is arguable, atleast.

[Lomadeaux]

Because Floyd was 37, past his prime and hadn’t fought a guy who was aggressive with rough house tactics for years.

He’d been used to fighting guys who are better at distance and had time to think.

Maidana was bigger, stronger and all kind of problems for that past prime version of Floyd.

Saw it coming before the fight, I knew it would be Floyd’s hardest fight in years.

Very similar to Castillo 1 and including the rematch, where he made those fights much easier.