Why did Pac get KOed by a 39 year old JMM?

[aboutfkntime]

For someone who likes to throw "casual" *******ly, you sure do like to ignore that he was rehydrating to fit your narrative. He didn't gain 12-13 lbs during that time period that you claim. Throwing out insults doesn't really strengthen your argument but you do you.

he was RIPPED at 142... no way could he have made 130

According to Alex Ariza, Pac was eating 6 meals a day including 3am/6am shakes

that 9 month weight jump was MUCH more significant than the 8 month difference for Marquez between Fedchenko and Pacquiao

like I said... Pac has the 2nd largest recorded weigh-gain in boxing history, which doesn't exactly strengthen your argument either

it just seems ridiculous that pacfans are still denying the obvious, and looking the other way... as they frantically accuse OTHER fighters of juicing

a main pacfan excuse to protest Manny's innocence is the claim that he... "never failed a test"... despite the fact that Manny REFUSED to test, for YEARS... well, guess what... 1) Marquez never failed a test either... 2) Memo Heredia, is Alex Arixa's MENTOR...

" Memo is my friend, he taught me everything I know " ~ Ariza

Marquez trained completely differently for that fight, and he knocked out s sparring partner with that exact same punch during camp, it's on youtube... boxing fans can still level accusations if they wish, but pacfans should STFU... because they know whats up, and not one of them has ever been able to provide a satisfactory excuse for Pac refusing blood tests

all I am saying is... everything points much more strongly toward Pacquiao... and there is no evidence whatsoever which reflects poorly on Marquez, and does not also reflect poorly on Pacquiao... but not a word about that from pacfans

[aboutfkntime]

1 ) He didn't kill a superfight because of a test. Stop being disingenous. He had agreed each and everytime to Floyds conditions and he kept changing it each time. Plenty of blame for that on alot of people. Not just Manny.

2 ) What are these 8 excuses that Manny made? Please educate me.

3 ) He gained weight for 13 years growing from a starving malnourished teen to a man who can eat whatever he wants. Nothing fishy about that.

4 ) Meaningless. He looked as sharp as fast as strong as he did in against Diaz as he did back in Morales III. Are you seriously weighing in on those comments? Just stop.

5 ) Every single one of them are just speculating. Not a single one of them has evidence to support their claims. For someone who likes to throw "facts" around, where is the proof?

EASY! Now cmon where are those 8 excuses.

do you really NEED to make that a multi-choice question... ?

why can't you be a man, and stand by your convictions ?

I don't give a fcuk how many of those 8 ridiculous excuses you can remember... you must have accepted one of those ridiculous excuses, or you not be here blurting out silly excuses

what excuse did YOU accept for Pacquiao killing a super-fight by refusing random blood tests?

I will provide that list when you answer the question... yup, I got it bookmarked

btw kid, we did not need to hear... 8 ridiculous excuses... we needed one genuine reason... the ONLY reason why we heard 8 ridiculous excuses, is because there was no genuine reason

I will provide that list when you answer the question... you obviously remember what happened, what excuse did YOU accept for Pacquiao killing a super-fight by refusing random blood tests?

[aboutfkntime]

Marquez fought Pac at welterweight for the third fight and then took a tune up at 140 before the 4th fight so he wasn’t being pulled up to a weight he never fought at.
Pacquiao actually wanted the fight at 140 since Marquez had a belt at that weight but Marquez insisted on fighting at WW.
Not even close to what happened with Floyd.

link.... ?

[aboutfkntime]

Because JMM tuned back time and became a strong teenager again - the sudden appearance of acne proved it. Just asked Memo Heredia.

2) Memo Heredia, is Alex Arixa's MENTOR...

" Memo is my friend, he taught me everything I know " ~ Ariza

b,b,b,b,but....

[Chuckguy]

b,b,b,b,but....

Pac was roided to the gills so what don’t waste your time bro

[ewangomes]

he was RIPPED at 142... no way could he have made 130

According to Alex Ariza, Pac was eating 6 meals a day including 3am/6am shakes

that 9 month weight jump was MUCH more significant than the 8 month difference for Marquez between Fedchenko and Pacquiao

like I said... Pac has the 2nd largest recorded weigh-gain in boxing history, which doesn't exactly strengthen your argument either

it just seems ridiculous that pacfans are still denying the obvious, and looking the other way... as they frantically accuse OTHER fighters of juicing

a main pacfan excuse to protest Manny's innocence is the claim that he... "never failed a test"... despite the fact that Manny REFUSED to test, for YEARS... well, guess what... 1) Marquez never failed a test either... 2) Memo Heredia, is Alex Arixa's MENTOR...

" Memo is my friend, he taught me everything I know " ~ Ariza

Marquez trained completely differently for that fight, and he knocked out s sparring partner with that exact same punch during camp, it's on youtube... boxing fans can still level accusations if they wish, but pacfans should STFU... because they know whats up, and not one of them has ever been able to provide a satisfactory excuse for Pac refusing blood tests

all I am saying is... everything points much more strongly toward Pacquiao... and there is no evidence whatsoever which reflects poorly on Marquez, and does not also reflect poorly on Pacquiao... but not a word about that from pacfans

You still haven't offered your explanation as to where the 12 lbs gain went to when he was already 140 lbs back in 2005.

Stop being too emotional. I never said anything about Marquez. Your hatred blinds you.You still really don't have any facts to back your claims.

[ewangomes]

do you really NEED to make that a multi-choice question... ?

why can't you be a man, and stand by your convictions ?

I don't give a fcuk how many of those 8 ridiculous excuses you can remember... you must have accepted one of those ridiculous excuses, or you not be here blurting out silly excuses

what excuse did YOU accept for Pacquiao killing a super-fight by refusing random blood tests?

I will provide that list when you answer the question... yup, I got it bookmarked

btw kid, we did not need to hear... 8 ridiculous excuses... we needed one genuine reason... the ONLY reason why we heard 8 ridiculous excuses, is because there was no genuine reason

I will provide that list when you answer the question... you obviously remember what happened, what excuse did YOU accept for Pacquiao killing a super-fight by refusing random blood tests?

Be a man and stop being emotional. Provide facts not feelings. C'mon what're the 8 excuses? Bring it. Stop making assumptions. Follow your own advice and stand by your convictions. If you have any.

[Mister Dad]

Lmfao people here are ******. I saw the thread get started and thought people were too smart to fall for the bait and yet they did

[Roadblock]

Marquez fought Pac at welterweight for the third fight and then took a tune up at 140 before the 4th fight so he wasn’t being pulled up to a weight he never fought at.
Pacquiao actually wanted the fight at 140 since Marquez had a belt at that weight but Marquez insisted on fighting at WW.
Not even close to what happened with Floyd.

BS, Manny wanted 147 JMM wanted 144.

Pacquiao's trainer Freddie Roach made it clear that any opponent from a lower weight division would have to move up to welterweight for a fight with Pacquiao.

"We would have to fight at 147, or else, those fights won't happen. I'm not going to let Manny fight below welterweight. It's 147.

Marquez doesn't understand the reasoning behind a third bout being fought at the full limit of 147. He points out that Pacquiao usually weighs a lot less than the welterweight limit for his fights.

"My initial thought is that it would have to be at a catch weight. You know, his last fight, with Antonio Margarito, he weighed in at 144 pounds [actually 144.6.]. So, let's do the fight at a catch weight. If he wants to be at 140, I'll go 140. If he wants to do 142, I'll do 142. I think that it would have to be at a weight that's fair for both of us -- no advantage for him, no advantage for me," Marquez said.

https://www.boxingscene.com/marquez-replies-pacquiao-wants-147-lets-fight-147--33242

[EL_cano]

Everyone on this board know about that fight. Everyone is free to rank Pac as high or as low as they damn well please. Most know about Pac's great wins including a KO of Cotto. Mayweather had a much harder time with Cotto than Pac did. He couldn't knock Cotto down let alone knock Cotto out. So if we are going base Pac vs mayweather on one single common opponent let's make that opponent Cotto and not Marquez. I bet you don't like doing things that way. How about Mosley? Mayweather damn near got knocke out by mosley while pac dropped Mosley and beat him easier than floyd did. you judge a boxer's worth based on all his fights and not just one fight. Most fans don't think Mayweather is the GOAT or even close to it. Yet here you are trying to jam your bias lofty opinion of Mayweather down our throats. Pac beat Marquez twice. he always fought Marquez without any catchweight. In contrast mayweather fought a Marquez who had not yet used enough peds to built himself into a welterweight and he fought him at a 144 pound catchweight. Not only that, Floyd ignored the contract weight of 144 and came in as a full welterweight. I think Pac could beat Mayweather now if mayweather agreed to fight him.Pac looked great against Thurman.

Solid post that cant be ignored.