Why did Pac get KOed by a 39 year old JMM?

[aboutfkntime]

Did Pacquiao fight a Marquez being pulled up two weight classes and then cheated again on the scales?
Pac would have toyed with that version of Marquez.

marquez got "pulled up two weight classes and then cheated again on the scales"... by PACQUIAO, in the 3rd fight...

and most observers know Pac lost that fight LMAO

fkn hilarious

this statement...

Pac would have toyed with that version of Marquez

... is the usual brand of pac-nonsense that we have come to expect on this site

FACT: despite having 4 attempts, at MULTIPLE weights... Pacquiao could never distance himself from Marquez... let alone "toy" with him LMAO... he went life-n-death, every single time

[ewangomes]

only two types of people mention fight-night weight when discussing boxing

1) a pig-ignorant casual-fan... 2) a absolute shlthead

which one are you... ???

FACT: Pac gained 12lbs of muscle, in NINE months... while skipping through THREE divisions...

The problem with your claim is that he GAINED 12 lbs in the time period 2008-2009. How could he gain something that he already had ?

2005 Morales 1 - 139 lbs;
2006 Morales II - 140 lbs;
2006 Morales III - 144 lbs;
2008 Diaz - 147;
2008 DLH - 148.5

These are facts.

How exactly did he gain 12 lbs then as you claim? He already was at 148 at 2008. Where did those gains go?

[kidbazooka]

It’s called greats fighting greats it happens.

[aboutfkntime]

The problem with your claim is that he GAINED 12 lbs in the time period 2008-2009. How could he gain something that he already had ?

2005 Morales 1 - 139 lbs;
2006 Morales II - 140 lbs;
2006 Morales III - 144 lbs;
2008 Diaz - 147;
2008 DLH - 148.5

These are facts.

How exactly did he gain 12 lbs then as you claim? He already was at 148 at 2008. Where did those gains go?

FACT: only two types of people mention fight-night weight when discussing boxing

1) a pig-ignorant casual-fan... 2) a absolute shlthead

which one are you... ???

2008-12-06 142 Oscar De La Hoya
2008-06-28 134½ David Diaz
2008-03-15 129 Juan Manuel Marquez

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/6129

FACT: 13lbs... NINE months... THREE divisions...

[aboutfkntime]

The problem with your claim is that he GAINED 12 lbs in the time period 2008-2009. How could he gain something that he already had ?

2005 Morales 1 - 139 lbs;
2006 Morales II - 140 lbs;
2006 Morales III - 144 lbs;
2008 Diaz - 147;
2008 DLH - 148.5

These are facts.

How exactly did he gain 12 lbs then as you claim? He already was at 148 at 2008. Where did those gains go?

you really think that 13lbs is the ONLY evidence... ???

kid, how does lying about fight-night weight explain this...

1)
FACT: Pac killed a SUPER-FIGHT by refusing random blood tests....
FACT: random blood tests are completely harmless
FACT: there is ONLY one reason to avoid random blood tests
FACT: in the amateurs, if you avoid/obstruct a drug test, you.....
* are immediately judged guilty
* you are stripped
* you are banned




2)
Pacquiao gave a grand total of 8 ridiculous excuses to avoid random blood tests, which is beyond absurd..... we needed one genuine reason, but we got 8 childish excuses..... the only reason why we got 8 childish excuses, is because there was no genuine reason

then SUDDENLY, those 8 ridiculous excuses up and disappeared without a trace, and were never mentioned ONCE when Pac finally agreed to testing

come on kid, tell us which one of those 8 ridiculous excuses you believed..... this will be funny..... come on, tell us which one of those ridiculous excuses worked for you, so that we can see how you roll


3)
FACT: Pac has the 2nd highest recorded weight-gain in boxing history at 40lbs

the highest recorded weight-gain in recorded history is 41lbs....

and it was made by a HEAVYWEIGHT who used steroids to get there

FACT: Pacquiao is a fkn midget compared to Roy Jones Jnr..... when Jones gained 41lbs, he was cheating...... and yet when Pacquiao gained 40lbs, you think that he was clean..... right ?

it is soooo clearly obvious what happened, but not to you, right?

Pac is the size of one of Jones legs, you muppet


4)
immediately after the second Marquez fight, Manny Steward stated that Pac should consider retiring..... he said that Manny looked shopworn and had been in too many wars.....

Manny then linked up with Alex Ariza

immediately following Pac's next fight against David Diaz, Steward was gushing with praise, saying that Manny looked rejuvenated/revitalized, and a completely different fighter

and NO, Steward was not throwing Manny under a bus, he was simply commenting on what he saw

what happened next..... ? here, let me remind you.....

Pac then skipped through THREE DIVISIONS in 9 months, gaining 12lbs of muscle..... seemingly increasing his speed/power and (get this) punch output..... while looking as fresh as a daisy..... wtf?

you know absolutely nothing about boxing if that does not seem su****ious to you

Pac turned from a shopworn fighter, into a 1200+ punch dynamo, who (coincidentally) refused to test..... then, Pac just as suddenly reverted back into a normal 400-500 punch fighter who looked tired at the end of a fight, and (coincidentally) he suddenly had no problem taking blood tests

LMAO

5)
a number of knowledgeable insiders, all of which are extremely knowledgeable and extremely experienced, have stated that Pacquiao was juicing..... from Atlas to Mayweather to Malignaggi to Mosley, and a number of fighters in/around wildcard

it is only you who failed to notice..... why is that ?


kid, answer the question... why did Pacquiao kill a super-fight by refusing random blood tests... tell us which one of those 8 ridiculous excuses you believed... so we can REALLY see how you roll

[ewangomes]

FACT: only two types of people mention fight-night weight when discussing boxing

1) a pig-ignorant casual-fan... 2) a absolute shlthead

which one are you... ???

2008-12-06 142 Oscar De La Hoya
2008-06-28 134½ David Diaz
2008-03-15 129 Juan Manuel Marquez

FACT: 13lbs... NINE months... THREE divisions...

For someone who likes to throw "casual" *******ly, you sure do like to ignore that he was rehydrating to fit your narrative. He didn't gain 12-13 lbs during that time period that you claim. Throwing out insults doesn't really strengthen your argument but you do you.

[The D3vil]

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[ewangomes]

you really think that 13lbs is the ONLY evidence... ???

kid, how does lying about fight-night weight explain this...

1)
FACT: Pac killed a SUPER-FIGHT by refusing random blood tests....
FACT: random blood tests are completely harmless
FACT: there is ONLY one reason to avoid random blood tests
FACT: in the amateurs, if you avoid/obstruct a drug test, you.....
* are immediately judged guilty
* you are stripped
* you are banned




2)
Pacquiao gave a grand total of 8 ridiculous excuses to avoid random blood tests, which is beyond absurd..... we needed one genuine reason, but we got 8 childish excuses..... the only reason why we got 8 childish excuses, is because there was no genuine reason

then SUDDENLY, those 8 ridiculous excuses up and disappeared without a trace, and were never mentioned ONCE when Pac finally agreed to testing

come on kid, tell us which one of those 8 ridiculous excuses you believed..... this will be funny..... come on, tell us which one of those ridiculous excuses worked for you, so that we can see how you roll


3)
FACT: Pac has the 2nd highest recorded weight-gain in boxing history at 40lbs

the highest recorded weight-gain in recorded history is 41lbs....

and it was made by a HEAVYWEIGHT who used steroids to get there

FACT: Pacquiao is a fkn midget compared to Roy Jones Jnr..... when Jones gained 41lbs, he was cheating...... and yet when Pacquiao gained 40lbs, you think that he was clean..... right ?

it is soooo clearly obvious what happened, but not to you, right?

Pac is the size of one of Jones legs, you muppet


4)
immediately after the second Marquez fight, Manny Steward stated that Pac should consider retiring..... he said that Manny looked shopworn and had been in too many wars.....

Manny then linked up with Alex Ariza

immediately following Pac's next fight against David Diaz, Steward was gushing with praise, saying that Manny looked rejuvenated/revitalized, and a completely different fighter

and NO, Steward was not throwing Manny under a bus, he was simply commenting on what he saw

what happened next..... ? here, let me remind you.....

Pac then skipped through THREE DIVISIONS in 9 months, gaining 12lbs of muscle..... seemingly increasing his speed/power and (get this) punch output..... while looking as fresh as a daisy..... wtf?

you know absolutely nothing about boxing if that does not seem su****ious to you

Pac turned from a shopworn fighter, into a 1200+ punch dynamo, who (coincidentally) refused to test..... then, Pac just as suddenly reverted back into a normal 400-500 punch fighter who looked tired at the end of a fight, and (coincidentally) he suddenly had no problem taking blood tests

LMAO

5)
a number of knowledgeable insiders, all of which are extremely knowledgeable and extremely experienced, have stated that Pacquiao was juicing..... from Atlas to Mayweather to Malignaggi to Mosley, and a number of fighters in/around wildcard

it is only you who failed to notice..... why is that ?


kid, answer the question... why did Pacquiao kill a super-fight by refusing random blood tests... tell us which one of those 8 ridiculous excuses you believed... so we can REALLY see how you roll

1 ) He didn't kill a superfight because of a test. Stop being disingenous. He had agreed each and everytime to Floyds conditions and he kept changing it each time. Plenty of blame for that on alot of people. Not just Manny.

2 ) What are these 8 excuses that Manny made? Please educate me.

3 ) He gained weight for 13 years growing from a starving malnourished teen to a man who can eat whatever he wants. Nothing fishy about that.

4 ) Meaningless. He looked as sharp as fast as strong as he did in against Diaz as he did back in Morales III. Are you seriously weighing in on those comments? Just stop.

5 ) Every single one of them are just speculating. Not a single one of them has evidence to support their claims. For someone who likes to throw "facts" around, where is the proof?

EASY! Now cmon where are those 8 excuses.

[Larry the boss]

Because he got punched in the face really,really hard

[QueensburyRules]

Why does no one question Pacs legacy for getting knocked out by JMM? Everyone says he was in his prime, yet he got KOed cold by a 39 year old. The same fighter that Floyd schooled 2 years earlier. What makes yall think Pac coulda beat Floyd during that time if he couldnt even beat JMM? There is a 0 chance that Floyd would ever got knocked the **** out like that let alone by an above average fighter. Thats a huge knock on Mannys legacy to me. Proof that while he was a great fighter, he was not on the GOAT level like Mayweather.

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