Can we have a serious talk about women's boxing

[Citizen Koba]

Comparing Taylor/Persoon to Gatti/Ward is like comparing Go-Kart racing to Formula 1!

Formula 1 has a macho, charismatic glamour and excitement that sucks you in if you start watching it, even if you're not a petrol head and have no real interest in motor sports.

Go-Kart racing is just ... yawn, this is boring. What's on the other channel?


It could turn out to be more of a zero-sum game situation. There is only so much money and attentionthat casual sports fans are willing to devote to boxing.

In fact, it could turn out to be something worse than zero-sum. As in, tuning into a boxing show and having to sit through hours of feather fisted females flailing away at each other in between the men's fights could turn potential fans off the sport as a whole.

Unfortunately, I was railroaded into watching that awful female fight last night because it was screened right before the main event, which I knew would probably be short and sweet.

I'm telling you mate, if I hadn't been so committed to not missing the main event, I would have tuned out of Taylor/Persoon well before the end.

My point was there's a sliding scale of skill and I don't know about you but I can get just as much pleasure out of watching a well matched domestic or even regional level tear up as I can from watching elite level artistry... so why not women? A massive part of it is watching two fighters put it all on the line and seeing who comes out on top, for me, the skill on display is a significant part of it but not at the heart of what fighting is, at least not for me. Heart, will, the desire to win and to fight through the pain to find a way to victory... that's what it's all about.

Anyway Just trying to give another perspective... ain't gonna say I enjoy all women's fights, some of them are just painful to watch, but I do support the women's sport in principle, and I do think there's solid, practical reasons to do so... if it ain't your thing though I ain't gonna tell you you should watch it. Nothing more futile that trying to convince someone they should like something they don't.

Myself Ima keep on quietly plugging away and hope more people take an interest... I genuinely hope it doesn't turn people away, but of course I can't say for certain it won't all I can say is that myself I beleive it's worth supporting. I've already given a coupla reasons why and as a father to two young women who believes in girls being able to look out for themselves - and have every opportunity to to do what they choose in life - I got another right there.

[boogbx]

See the little laughing emoji I included with my comment?

I put that there so non-woke people would know that I was taking the piss with that nonsense I wrote. >>>>

thanks brother, I read your other posts and was like ok cool
He is being sarcastic.

What is unfortunate is that a lot
Of people agree with what you sarcastically wrote and insist it’s fact.

On a supporting note
Of women’s boxers, like
I said I knew a lot and have the utmost respect for them.

Many of them simply didn’t fit in with other girls so “girl fight” was very common.

Others took up
Boxing because they were
******ed, abused or violated by men and refused to ever be a victim again.

Others had boxers in their family and took up the sport
Out of love.

My respects for every human
Being that steps in the ring, very few humans willingly do male or female.

I Promised not to bring anymore negativity to a women’s boxing thread so
Some Positivity.

[asgarth]

Taylor was supposed to have a rich amateur pedigree, so I expected her to be able to adapt to Persoons ugy high volume style. But she didnt really. The first fight looked pretty similar to the first one.

Katie couldnt keep her off at all and looked really bad on the inside, couldnt properly tie up and just relied on landing single clean punches with better timing and punching technique.

[Idunnoshet]

But evolution led to highly intelligent people in universities who became "woke" and realised that gender was a social construct, with no basis in biological fact, and that men being selected for hunting, hard labor, war, etc, and women for childbirth, was an invention of The Patriarchy, created for the purpose of subjugating women and minority groups.

And yes, those highly inteligent people in universities know that their ideas make no logical sense, but "logical sense" is another invention of The Patriarchy, created for the purpose of subjugating women and minority groups ...

Good F***ing post !

[dan_cov]

Its awful - KT Taylor looks very watchable for all of 2 rounds before gassing & Persoon while her toughness is admirable just has no real skill at all.

Womens boxing is an eyesore.

Bit off subject and I know a few here don't like MMA but the UFC fighter Zhang Weili is definitely one woman worth watching fight. She has legit skills and nice crisp striking with plenty of pop. I've had more enjoyment from her fights than I ever have womens boxing combined.

She is tiny, really respectful and quiet but when she enters the cage she is a little assassin.

[lopetego]

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Womens boxing is an eyesore.

No more words need to be said

[kafkod]

My point was there's a sliding scale of skill and I don't know about you but I can get just as much pleasure out of watching a well matched domestic or even regional level tear up as I can from watching elite level artistry... so why not women? A massive part of it is watching two fighters put it all on the line and seeing who comes out on top, for me, the skill on display is a significant part of it but not at the heart of what fighting is, at least not for me. Heart, will, the desire to win and to fight through the pain to find a way victory... that's what it is all about.

Anyway Just trying to give another perspective... ain't gonna say I enjoy all women's fights, some of them are just painful to watch, but I do support the women's sport in principle, and I do think there's solid, practical reasons to do so... if it ain't your thing though I ain't gonna tell you you should watch it. Myself Ima keep on quietly plugging away and hope more people take an interest... I genuinely hope it doesn't turn people away, but of course, I can't say for certain all I can say is that myself I beleive it's worth supporting.

Domestic and journeyman level men's fights can indeed be exciting and compelling, but they don't get sold as anything other than what they are, and what they are is usually levels above even the very best women's fights.

It annoys the fuck out of me to hear boxers and boxing pundits toeing the PC line and telling what they surely know to be blatant lies. Stuff like .. "Katie Taylor isn't just one of the best female boxers in the game .. she's one of the best boxers in the game, male or female. Maybe the best boxer Ireland has ever produced ... blah, blah ...

People who surely know better were comparing Cecilia Brækhus to Joe Louis. Others talk about Claressa Shields surpassing Loma in terms of most world titles won in fewest pro fights, as if their respective achievements were anything like comparable. It's all so cynical and disingenuous.

[Cypocryphy]

Are you serious or did you copy and paste that nonsense? Do you actually agree?

How about biologically men have testosterone and once upon a time nuts to go with it?

That was why we were hunter gatherer, women ain’t dragging home buffalo.

Matriarchy is a nightmare and any man that openly follows a woman over a man should be ashamed of themselves.

I have seen Women and Men leaders, you couldn’t make me willingly follow a woman at gun point.

The truth of the matter is that brawn will always succumb to brain, and women do not fall short of having "smarts." I'd rather follow a smart but physically weak female than a dumb but physically strong male, especially if said female were smarter than I.

In all honesty, most of these comments invoke scenes of nascent neanderthals, dragging deer across mud and dried leaves, with club over shoulder.

[Citizen Koba]

Domestic and journeyman level men's fights can indeed be exciting and compelling, but they don't get sold as anything other than what they are, and what they are is usually levels above even the very best women's fights.

It annoys the fuck out of me to hear boxers and boxing pundits toeing the PC line and telling what they surely know to be blatant lies. Stuff like .. "Katie Taylor isn't just one of the best female boxers in the game .. she's one of the best boxers in the game, male or female. Maybe the best boxer Ireland has ever produced ... blah, blah ...

People who surely know better were comparing Cecilia Brækhus to Joe Louis. Others talk about Claressa Shields surpassing Loma in terms of most world titles won in fewest pro fights, as if their respective achievements were anything like comparable. It's all so cynical and disingenuous.

Curious how some kinds of hyperbole bother us more than others I guess. I'd tend to take any kinda hype you hear in any kinda sport - but particularly combat sports - with a pinch of salt. People say **** to get people interested... those who know their shet know their shet and know the hype for what it is. What does it matter?

[kafkod]

thanks brother, I read your other posts and was like ok cool
He is being sarcastic.

What is unfortunate is that a lot
Of people agree with what you sarcastically wrote and insist it’s fact.

On a supporting note
Of women’s boxers, like
I said I knew a lot and have the utmost respect for them.

Many of them simply didn’t fit in with other girls so “girl fight” was very common.

Others took up
Boxing because they were
******ed, abused or violated by men and refused to ever be a victim again.

Others had boxers in their family and took up the sport
Out of love.

My respects for every human
Being that steps in the ring, very few humans willingly do male or female.

I Promised not to bring anymore negativity to a women’s boxing thread so
Some Positivity.

No worries mate. It takes guts to climb into a boxing ring, and real heart to go 10 rounds, toe-to-toe, like those girls did last night. I respect them for that,

But I also strongly feel that the way women's boxing is being pushed and marketed right now, with a fight like Taylor/Persoon given joint top billing on a card of men's fights, is disrespecting the depth and history of the men's game. That's all I'm saying here.