Was Mike Tyson a swarmer or slugger type boxer ?

[R-Hand Southpaw]

Tyson is/was not a counter puncher at all, which is why he had terrible trouble with that style

Some people just can't see the finer aspects I guess.

When you slip punches to return punches thats called counter punching and that's regardless if you're moving forward or backwards.

Think of Lomachenko when you hear aggressive counter puncher.

Think of Floyd when you you hear defensive counter puncher.

Tyson used footwork and movement to avoid punches and create angles. Thats why when you think of Peekaboo and Tyson you see him using head and body movements. Bending and weaving to get closer to his opponents.

Those movements are used to duck under hooks and slip jabs. Which then put Mike in a prime position to return shots which he did. It also kept his head offline because ehe kept changing head slots.. Watch tyson highlights if you dont believe me. 9/10 times he will slip something and return fire knocking them on their ass.

Once he got his opponent wary of his power and they shelled up it was game over. At this point he no longer needed to be aggressive to counter punch and just chose his shots.

This is how you roll up to one of Mikes favorite combos. A hook to the body followed by an uppercut.

[champion4ever]

He was a slugger. Mike would land and throw very few punches before he inevitably hurt and stopped his opponents.

His fights didn't last very long because he was too heavy handed in either hand.

While on the other hand, Joe Frazier was more of a swarmer type of a fighter with tremendous stamina and a very high workrate.

[PRINCEKOOL]

So, what's your point? You think one counter makes a fighters style completely different? Was Wlad Klitschko a brawler because he went to war with AJ? Nope.

Counter punchers do not move forward, bobbing and weaving to avoid punches. This is not up for a real discussion for those who know boxing.

Mike Tyson fundamentally a aggressive counter puncher 'Lomachenko is also a aggressive counter puncher' etc

That is my point.

[Marchegiano]

How do you duck a jab and deliver a hook and it not be a counter-hook?

I'm confused. I thought Tyson's MO was keep the low guarded so they jab the forehead-ish zone and that makes it easier to duck, so he does his awesome ducking and pops up with a big left hook or right upper cut or whatever the **** is open really, and, likes to combo it.


Swarmer looking for counters...kinda exactly like Patterson before him.

[R-Hand Southpaw]

So what you're saying is that Buster Douglas was a better counter puncher than the awesome counter punching Tyson? lol



Floyd was way bigger and way better at everything that JMM did other than carrying fight changing power

Marquez is a defensive counter puncher and Floyd schooled him because he forced Marquez to be the one who engages first.

Marquez needed to be aggressive to win but didn't have the skills to do so. That doesn't mean he's skilled but when taken out of his element he couldn't be successful.

When Marquez was forced to lead he had a lot of problems with Mayweathers size and reach.

Mayweather is also another defensive counter puncher and feasted of Marquezs lack of offense.

You know how they say aggressive guys don't know how to fight on the back foot? The opposite problem in that scenario.

Also. Buster won because he came in and fought the fight of his life. Tyson completely overlooked him and paid the price. No one takes a 42 to 1 guy serious.

[BKM-]

Tython may be a thwarmer or thlugger but he baits opponents, making them miss so he can land a bomb.

His problem is he only fights moving forward. Force him to take a step back and he's completely useless.

[MONGOOSE66]

He was a FAST forward moving, EVASIVE, Offensive power puncher.

[Larry the boss]

He was a boxer puncher

[Boxing Goat]

Mike Tyson fundamentally a aggressive counter puncher 'Lomachenko is also a aggressive counter puncher' etc

That is my point.

Loma isn't a counter puncher either lol

Like I said, you just don't really know boxing

[Boxing Goat]

Marquez is a defensive counter puncher and Floyd schooled him because he forced Marquez to be the one who engages first.

Marquez needed to be aggressive to win but didn't have the skills to do so. That doesn't mean he's skilled but when taken out of his element he couldn't be successful.

When Marquez was forced to lead he had a lot of problems with Mayweathers size and reach.

Mayweather is also another defensive counter puncher and feasted of Marquezs lack of offense.

You know how they say aggressive guys don't know how to fight on the back foot? The opposite problem in that scenario.

Also. Buster won because he came in and fought the fight of his life. Tyson completely overlooked him and paid the price. No one takes a 42 to 1 guy serious.

A great larger fighter will always, always beats an equal or lesser smaller man. ALWAYS. And Tyson lost because he had a guy that didn't simply pack it in when he started feeling Mike's punches and boxed & countered beautifully behind the jab.