Joe Calzaghe's 46-0 vs Floyd Mayweather's 50-0

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Froch:
- took Pascal's 0 before he became Lineal Light-Heavyweight champ
- Dramatic come from behind stoppage win over Taylor
- close decision, maybe a draw, with Dirrell. Took his 0.
- travelled to Denmark and lost to prime Kessler in a competitive fight. Kessler coming off the back of a loss to Ward. Froch busted Kessler's retina forcing him to retire. He returned to the sport won a strap and Froch avenged his lost against a past-prime, but not shot Kessler.
- Froch dominated Abraham 12-0, who would later go 9-2 in world title fights.
- Beat a past prime Glen Johnson in WBSS
- Lost to Ward 8-4/9-3. No shame in losing to him in a legit 1 v 2 fight.
- Beat the brakes off undefeated Lucien Bute, I think 10-0 in title fights, who a minority rated as the best in the world. Took his 0.
- After unifying with Kessler he beat undefeated George Groves twice, who would later be universally regarded (for a brief time) as the best SMW in the world after he beat Eubank Jr.
- Ward last fought at 168 Nov 2013. Froch retired at the start of 2015. Froch was for a time the very best 168'er in the world and proved it by KO'ing Groves.

That's a hell of a ledger. He ducked no challenge, fought the best and was ranked top-10 p4p. Froch isn't an ATG or first ballot HOF'er, but he'll get in for sure. Kessler will be on the ballot a long time but will also get in I believe, maybe in like 15-20 years even. Longevity counts in boxing, Kessler was top 2/3 SMW for 10 years

How many fighters did Froch beat that will make the ballot? Kessler, Pascal? Taylor? Abraham? G. Johnson? At what point does that become a HOF resume?

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then i'm not deluded, but still HoF is a bridge too far for Froch, Kessler and Calzaghe , whose claim for their short reigns should be brief elitedom.

Calzaghe was inducted first ballot.

Kessler was arguably second best in Calzaghe and Ward eras. But in eras where ATGs of the division are crowned the supporting cast also deserve recognition. Back in the old days where there was only 1 champion, you had fighters that didn't win world titles that have since received HOF recognition. Because they still beat many of the best of their eras and had they had a belt to defend in those fights people would have considered them even greater.

Froch & Kessler getting in isn't diluting the HOF, but it does add a bit of diversity to a very US dominated Hall.

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What's all this 'HOF' talk? It's a popularity vote among some fat boxing writers.

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But Floyd lost to castillo, maidana, Pac and dlh in many opinions who are the ones who will be judging floyd.
Floyd s resume isn't as good as pacs. Pac s been a champ for longer than Floyd s been a professional boxer how is Floyd s achievements as good? In whose rule book?

Nobody outside yourself and a handful of Pinoys think Manny beat Floyd. DLH did not beat Floyd nor did Maidana in either fight. The Castillo fight is debatable.

Not losing is a pretty impressive accolade in a 5 division championship career facing prime or near prime HOFers in Hernandez, Castillo, Hatton, DLH, Cotto, Marquez, Mosley, Pacquiao, Maidana, Gatti, Judah, and although Canelo wasnt prime...that win ages like fine wine.

Manny has a similar collection of great wins but he also has multiple losses. Manny also fought guys after losses, at catchweights, with rehydration clauses, or after consecutive bad performances...see Mosley, Cotto, Hatton, DLH, Thurman, Broner, Morales, Margarito. Manny still had to win those fights - and he did - but hes made a career after going after vulnerable opponents...its just the reality.

Of course theres the major asterisk too. Floyd has no PED use hanging over his head and Manny does. Thats a major impediment.

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Nobody outside yourself and a handful of Pinoys think Manny beat Floyd. DLH did not beat Floyd nor did Maidana in either fight. The Castillo fight is debatable.

Not losing is a pretty impressive accolade in a 5 division championship career facing prime or near prime HOFers in Hernandez, Castillo, Hatton, DLH, Cotto, Marquez, Mosley, Pacquiao, Maidana, Gatti, Judah, and although Canelo wasnt prime...that win ages like fine wine.

Manny has a similar collection of great wins but he also has multiple losses. Manny also fought guys after losses, at catchweights, with rehydration clauses, or after consecutive bad performances...see Mosley, Cotto, Hatton, DLH, Thurman, Broner, Morales, Margarito. Manny still had to win those fights - and he did - but hes made a career after going after vulnerable opponents...its just the reality.

Of course theres the major asterisk too. Floyd has no PED use hanging over his head and Manny does. Thats a major impediment.

Totally deluded post.
I'm sure there's not a Floyd fan on earth who thinks Floyd's lost, but not everyone's a Floyd fan like you are they
Theres.more people in this world who think floyd lost than won.

Trying to tar pac with floyd s brush. Everything you say about pac is what the boxing world thinks of floyd.
Bh, dillian whyte and others have specifically referred to floyd as a cherry picker, so don't play games.
Isn't floyd the one caught in the act with illegal �� iv?

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Theres.more people in this world who think floyd lost than won.

Who are the people youre referring to?

Nearly every boxing expert and professional boxer had Floyd winning. Theres like 5 people who had Manny winning and Freddy Roach wasnt one of them.

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Calzaghe was inducted first ballot.

Kessler was arguably second best in Calzaghe and Ward eras. But in eras where ATGs of the division are crowned the supporting cast also deserve recognition. Back in the old days where there was only 1 champion, you had fighters that didn't win world titles that have since received HOF recognition. Because they still beat many of the best of their eras and had they had a belt to defend in those fights people would have considered them even greater.

Froch & Kessler getting in isn't diluting the HOF, but it does add a bit of diversity to a very US dominated Hall.

Froch deserves HOF...Kessler not so sure

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Who are the people youre referring to?

Nearly every boxing expert and professional boxer had Floyd winning. Theres like 5 people who had Manny winning and Freddy Roach wasnt one of them.

Boxing fans all over the world think Floyd lost or gets very little credit for the win.
Floyd s seen as the cherry picker and his last opponent berto sums Floyd up going out with whimper. Pac s last win over unbeaten superstar sums Pac up

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Calzaghe was inducted first ballot.

he was, for sure, he got in by the extended wbo reign of 20 defences. The reason is called backdoor is that nearly all the defences are unrecognised...but it still has historic significance, hes probably the first SMW to have 20 unrecognised defences therefore hes HoF.

Kessler was arguably second best in Calzaghe and Ward eras.

He was first and then seond best in Calzaghe era, and 1st, 2nd then 3rd in Ward era so yeh.
to be fair it was more kessler era, since he had the longer recognised reign.

But HoF means having fame for something different, something that makes you an oddity that people recognise.

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Nah Cal would have beat Kessler anywhere, I picked Kessler to win it but after a good body shot mid fight he folded, Kessler turned out to not have the internal fortitude to beat Calzahge.

we dont know whaqt uninjured 2 hand kessler would have done in denmark, we do know he was leading until he lost his hand in britain.

but true on this obv -

Floyd is a class above both.