Comments Thread For: Callum Smith's Coach: If Canelo Wants The Fight, Must Make Serious Offer

[Ritz Kola]

So if GGG fights Alvarez for a third time and gets knocked out. Then he says I was done I took that fight for the money. You’ll blame Alvarez for GGG taking the fight. Got it. You mad at Alvarez making a guarantee $35M. Wonder what you think of Berto making $4M while Floyd made a “minimum” of $32M but more than $60M after PPV points? Alvarez pays the best to his opponents. The only reason they want to cash out against Alvarez is because they know that they run the risk of getting knocked out. And their career being over.

I stopped reading after I realized you're either just don't get it, or intentionally not agreeing with facts.
You attempted:
1. misdirection
2. deflection (built off misinformation)
All to distract and drag this out. I'll kill everything you're trying to do while not engaging in it.
1. Kovalev was an old man and a cherrypick. Go learn boxing if you can't understand why.
2. Berto got $10 million fighting Floyd: his words himself. Which is why he was satisfied.
3. It's about Canelo short changing HIS opponents, not about your random hatred for Floyd. Canelo can't seem to make fights happen because his offers are horrible and his demands are excessive. Floyd never had that BARR pacquiaos very su****ious aversion towards steroid testing. This is purely a canelo problem. Floyd's opponents were happy with the offers.

[Senor_frogs]

I stopped reading after I realized you're either just don't get it, or intentionally not agreeing with facts.
You attempted:
1. misdirection
2. deflection (built off misinformation)
All to distract and drag this out. I'll kill everything you're trying to do while not engaging in it.
1. Kovalev was an old man and a cherrypick. Go learn boxing if you can't understand why.
2. Berto got $10 million fighting Floyd: his words himself. Which is why he was satisfied.
3. It's about Canelo short changing HIS opponents, not about your random hatred for Floyd. Canelo can't seem to make fights happen because his offers are horrible and his demands are excessive. Floyd never had that BARR pacquiaos very su****ious aversion towards steroid testing. This is purely a canelo problem. Floyd's opponents were happy with the offers.

Link to the 10mil please. Let’s blame Alvarez for the excuses of his opponents. Whatever you say buddy. You cant be skipping you’re weekly Haters Anonymous meetings. Look at the nonsense you say when you don’t

[Ritz Kola]

Link to the 10mil please. Let’s blame Alvarez for the excuses of his opponents. Whatever you say buddy. You cant be skipping you’re weekly Haters Anonymous meetings. Look at the nonsense you say when you don’t

So you were mentally broken? As expected of a canelo fanatic. Lmao.

[Senor_frogs]

So you were mentally broken? As expected of a canelo fanatic. Lmao.

No link. Just what I expected from a Fanboy. Here’s some links for you. And on to the next.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndica...ution.amp.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.esp...3fplatform=amp

[Verus]

this was your original statement "Canelo lowest PPV buys was 400,000 against Lara, all other bouts brought at least 500,000". You were wrong, but instead of just admitting that you were wrong, you go off on a tangent. There is no verified proof that Canelo vs khan did over 600 k, so you're lying by saying "I just verified" as if you have an hbo connect. All of those fights I mentioned weren't early in canelos career. They were all after his fight with Floyd and from 2014- 2016, and he stopped doing ppvs in 2018 once he went to dazn. So they're all very relevant #s.

Why do PPV numbers generate so much passion on this site? Who gives a flip one way or the other? It is much the same about promoters. Some will rail against Haymon, others against De La Hoya, and still others against Arum. I could be wrong but some of this stems from some sort of tribalism or racism. There is much less focus on the actual fights than on this other stuff.

[Jab jab boom]

Neither Pac nor Floyd did over 400k ppvs until around the age of 30 after their respective wins over Oscar. Canelo by the age of 28 had become a major attraction and was the A side in 4 fights ranging between 900k-1.3M. Those are big time numbers. So he was ahead of the curve in terms of his drawing power and it likely would have increased after his win over GGG.

As for guys like Smith, they're interchangeable by comparison yet they're somehow demanding an "all roads lead through me" payday when they've done nothing to earn that status. If they choose not to step up, that's entirely on them.

you're talking age, we're talking peak of popularity. Those are 2 different things. Canelo reached his peak earlier than others but he's not likely to go up from this point. His peak was earlier because the biggest star in boxing gave him a shot at 23 yrs old. The rest had to wait longer to face a rival that got them to that next level. Canelos peak popularity as far as being a draw as the A side was vs ggg, since that fight 2 yrs ago, he hasn't gained the same interest and his popularity has plateaud. I mean, the guy had to take a backseat to a ufc event for his last fight.

[Jab jab boom]

Why do PPV numbers generate so much passion on this site? Who gives a flip one way or the other? It is much the same about promoters. Some will rail against Haymon, others against De La Hoya, and still others against Arum. I could be wrong but some of this stems from some sort of tribalism or racism. There is much less focus on the actual fights than on this other stuff.

well this article and the comments that follow it are regarding a boxers purse as it relates to making a fight with Canelo. Fighters purses are based on the interest a fight can gaugue and since this membership format is fairly new and not as tangible to assess yet, going based on past ppv buys is the best way to measure that. As a fan, I wish money or buys wasn't a factor because we'd get better fights sooner such as Crawford vs spence, but unfortunately that's not the reality.

[Ray*]

This guy a a straight up moron, I don't even know where to start with this.

[Verus]

well this article and the comments that follow it are regarding a boxers purse as it relates to making a fight with Canelo. Fighters purses are based on the interest a fight can gaugue and since this membership format is fairly new and not as tangible to assess yet, going based on past ppv buys is the best way to measure that. As a fan, I wish money or buys wasn't a factor because we'd get better fights sooner such as Crawford vs spence, but unfortunately that's not the reality.

I think I understand the "traditional" revenue stream --- gate receipts, PPV buys, sponsorships, and miscellaneous revenues. In this model, the first split is negotiated among all the parties, including the fight promoter and the 2 fighters. I don't understand the DAZN model which generates revenue via subscriptions and perhaps through licensing agreements with foreign TV networks. I know that Canelo and Golovkin are guaranteed a minimum amount by DAZN. I believe, or assume, that the promoter or promoters and/or DAZN pay the opponents.

I assume that the promoters, in turn, generate their revenue from the gate receipts and from sponsorships. I know some folks are saying that Canelo and to a lesser extent Golvokin are not offering their opponents enough money, but the fighters themselves don't pay other fighters to fight them. It is DAZN or the promoters to pay the opponents, or am I wrong. What am I missing?

[Caxcan]

you're talking age, we're talking peak of popularity. Those are 2 different things. Canelo reached his peak earlier than others but he's not likely to go up from this point. His peak was earlier because the biggest star in boxing gave him a shot at 23 yrs old. The rest had to wait longer to face a rival that got them to that next level. Canelos peak popularity as far as being a draw as the A side was vs ggg, since that fight 2 yrs ago, he hasn't gained the same interest and his popularity has plateaud. I mean, the guy had to take a backseat to a ufc event for his last fight.

There's no reason to believe Canelo wouldn't have had continued success in the ppv market if he had chosen to stay in that lane, especially when he was ahead of the curve (as I pointed out) with a ton of upside at his age.

However, he chose to take himself out of that market by signing with DAZN. I do think that signing with them did in some ways hamper his visibility at least in the short term-- they don't have the media reach of some other platforms, and I agree they've made missteps along the way (including their decision to schedule around UFC). However, those sorts of hiccups are to be expected with a fledgling company and their investment in him is long term. Financially it was the right move, and most importantly, his legacy has only grown since then.

As for guys like Smith, I don't know what makes them think they're the key to moving the needle when I doubt anyone would notice if he was swapped out by his brother. You'd think escaping with a win over Ryder would cause him to realize that in boxing you can't afford to turn down your shot at greatness.