Comments Thread For: Callum Smith's Coach: If Canelo Wants The Fight, Must Make Serious Offer

[Ritz Kola]

No link. Just what I expected from a Fanboy. Here’s some links for you. And on to the next.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndica...ution.amp.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.esp...3fplatform=amp

So mentally broken?

[lopetego]

Smith ducking hard, he knows he's getting his ass beat so he's trying to sell that 0 as costly as possible

[Jab jab boom]

I think I understand the "traditional" revenue stream --- gate receipts, PPV buys, sponsorships, and miscellaneous revenues. In this model, the first split is negotiated among all the parties, including the fight promoter and the 2 fighters. I don't understand the DAZN model which generates revenue via subscriptions and perhaps through licensing agreements with foreign TV networks. I know that Canelo and Golovkin are guaranteed a minimum amount by DAZN. I believe, or assume, that the promoter or promoters and/or DAZN pay the opponents.

I assume that the promoters, in turn, generate their revenue from the gate receipts and from sponsorships. I know some folks are saying that Canelo and to a lesser extent Golvokin are not offering their opponents enough money, but the fighters themselves don't pay other fighters to fight them. It is DAZN or the promoters to pay the opponents, or am I wrong. What am I missing?

as far as your last question, I'm unsure. It may be a combo of the platform as well as the promotors involved. In the past I've seen where hbo has refused to pay for certain fights and I've seen other situations where the promotor will say, "we're only offering..... B side opponent a guaranteed fee of 3 mil" for example. It's probably all interconnected where the platform can pay based off buys/memberships and the promotor pays off of ticket sales and other promotional options.

[Jab jab boom]

There's no reason to believe Canelo wouldn't have had continued success in the ppv market if he had chosen to stay in that lane, especially when he was ahead of the curve (as I pointed out) with a ton of upside at his age.

However, he chose to take himself out of that market by signing with DAZN. I do think that signing with them did in some ways hamper his visibility at least in the short term-- they don't have the media reach of some other platforms, and I agree they've made missteps along the way (including their decision to schedule around UFC). However, those sorts of hiccups are to be expected with a fledgling company and their investment in him is long term. Financially it was the right move, and most importantly, his legacy has only grown since then.

As for guys like Smith, I don't know what makes them think they're the key to moving the needle when I doubt anyone would notice if he was swapped out by his brother. You'd think escaping with a win over Ryder would cause him to realize that in boxing you can't afford to turn down your shot at greatness.

I think it depends on what you'd consider success in the ppv market. When mayweather and pac were at the top of the ppv scene, a standard of 1 mil ppvs buys was set. Canelo has 3 of those but, had his fights vs Jacobs, fielding and kovalev been ppv, do you think he would've come to close to hitting a mil for any of those fights? I honestly don't see any opponent available for canelo from 160-175 aside from ggg, that would get Canelo that kind of a buy rate had he still been on the ppv market. Just my opinion.

[Senor_frogs]

So mentally broken?

Still no link? So you can only provide me with wishful thinking but no facts? Typical fanboy

[Verus]

as far as your last question, I'm unsure. It may be a combo of the platform as well as the promotors involved. In the past I've seen where hbo has refused to pay for certain fights and I've seen other situations where the promotor will say, "we're only offering..... B side opponent a guaranteed fee of 3 mil" for example. It's probably all interconnected where the platform can pay based off buys/memberships and the promotor pays off of ticket sales and other promotional options.

You might be right, but we can only guess. This is such basic and important information that I wish one of the so-called reporters or other "experts" would write an article explaining the basics of how revenue is generated and distributed among all the parties, better yet comparing the DAZN and PPV business models. Perhaps Fat Dan might be up to the task. That would help reduce the finger-pointing and also help these discussions shed more light on matchmaking and about who is ducking whom.

As an aside, I remember GGG preening and bragging that he was Canelo's employer because he (ggg) got half of his guaranteed income in DAZN stock. Unfortunately for Golovkin, I suspect that DAZN stock is not worth much more than a bucket of spit these days

[Ritz Kola]

Still no link? So you can only provide me with wishful thinking but no facts? Typical fanboy

Fanboy of whom? Lmao you're the one here cheering for cLenelo not me. You're mentally broken. Thats funny and sad. Berto own words was he got $10 million. Not my fault Floyd pays guys good.

[Verus]

I think it depends on what you'd consider success in the ppv market. When mayweather and pac were at the top of the ppv scene, a standard of 1 mil ppvs buys was set. Canelo has 3 of those but, had his fights vs Jacobs, fielding and kovalev been ppv, do you think he would've come to close to hitting a mil for any of those fights? I honestly don't see any opponent available for canelo from 160-175 aside from ggg, that would get Canelo that kind of a buy rate had he still been on the ppv market. Just my opinion.

No one is going to generate crazy big numbers PPV anymore. The world has moved on. Boxing in this country is now a niche sport. While it is big in Latin America, the Philipines, and some parts of Africa and Europe, folks there are not in a position to pay much for PPV. With that and streaming the way of the future, I don't think that Mayweather's PPV numbers will ever be broken.

[Senor_frogs]

Fanboy of whom? Lmao you're the one here cheering for cLenelo not me. You're mentally broken. Thats funny and sad. Berto own words was he got $10 million. Not my fault Floyd pays guys good.

So you take Bertos word for it but not Kovalev when he said “I really like that my fights are (close) like this.” or “I like the short rest between the fight.” Here’s the link fanboy.

https://www.boxingscene.com/sergey-k...fights--143412

Yes you are a fanboy. You present no facts about your argument. And you pick and chose so shtt can fit you’re agenda. So yes you are the definition of a fanboy.

[Ritz Kola]

So you take Bertos word for it but not Kovalev when he said “I really like that my fights are (close) like this.” or “I like the short rest between the fight.” Here’s the link fanboy.

https://www.boxingscene.com/sergey-k...fights--143412

Yes you are a fanboy. You present no facts about your argument. And you pick and chose so shtt can fit you’re agenda. So yes you are the definition of a fanboy.

Ain't read that pass the Kovalev stuff. I took Kovalev word when he said he only took the fight for the money he was always going to lose. You crazy fanatic lmao