Ricardo Lopez doesn’t get enough respect

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  • IronDanHamza
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    #51
    Originally posted by therealpugilist
    weak is a bit of an exaggeration most people dont even watch strawweights to know who is actually good....the only names in the era were Saman Saturong(he blasted him out)....michael carbajal (who had a series with Gonzalez) and Humberto Gonzalez(who saman stopped for the title)

    he did beat good fighters and former champions rosendo alvarez in a classic, like Alex sanchez, will grigby, Ratanapol Sor Vorapin kermin gaurdia zonlani petelo, 2 time champ Hideyuki Ohashi to win the title at 105


    compared to say some like Ali or Ray Robinson of course it would seem weak but there are less elite, little fighters than the other divsions and they fight each other more often so their records appear more spotty, like Manny Melchor, he won major world title but ended career with a record that appears he was a journeyman
    Weak in comparison to other fighters who he’s compared to.

    He beat good fighters yeah and he had a HOF career but his resume is far from great.

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      #52
      Originally posted by IronDanHamza
      Weak in comparison to other fighters who he’s compared to.

      He beat good fighters yeah and he had a HOF career but his resume is far from great.
      far from " weak " as well

      you cant choose your era and outside of Carbajal, and Humberto wasnt much else going to further cement his legacy. he fought the best he could

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        #53
        Originally posted by JK1700
        Yeah Gonzalez and Lopez are two of my favourites to watch. Nacho doesn’t get the credit he deserves that’s true. No disrespect to Freddie Roach but I think him being an attention whore and talking to the media every 5 minutes helps him in getting more credit. Plus people feel sorry for him because of Parkinson’s. I’ll probably get hate for saying that but it’s just the truth.

        Carbajal - Lopez almost happened but to me they peaked at different times. By the time Lopez was on the up (95 onwards) MC was not the same guy. He gets a lot of respect from me though. He was super tough and never out of it because of his power (The Arce fight to me is one of the great examples of this, along with Foreman-Moorer). Gonzalez was a beast, even in his losses he was dominating them before he got caught. The Saman-Gonzalez fight is one of my favourites to watch. Never gets old. Saman is another fun fighter to watch for those of you who like watching the smaller guys. Huge heart and a monster in his prime.

        Yeah Alvarez being with Don King was his downfall. He still beat some really good fighters though (Porpaoin being the best).
        the bolded is very true.....their were other guys deserving 7 time trainer of the year and got it years his best fighters took major Ls


        makes sense to me

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          #54
          Originally posted by therealpugilist
          far from " weak " as well

          you cant choose your era and outside of Carbajal, and Humberto wasnt much else going to further cement his legacy. he fought the best he could
          He could have moved up to fight Eric Morel as well.

          I would have favored Lopez because his skills were so smooth but that would have been a good matchup.

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            #55
            Originally posted by ShaneMosleySr
            Lopez never lost a boxing match as an amateur or professional.

            He defended his lineal boxing championship 21 times before moving up and winning a title in a second weight class.

            During the coronavirus, there have been a lot of threads on boxers from the 1990s, yet I never see him mentioned.

            He was amazing and deserves a thread.
            This is why Floyd is arguably the best unbeaten fighter of all time. It's not a given

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              #56
              Originally posted by ShoulderRoll
              He could have moved up to fight Eric Morel as well.

              I would have favored Lopez because his skills were so smooth but that would have been a good matchup.
              Morel was all the way at 112 and just turned pro after the 96 olympics at that point, at the point Lopez was in the tail end of his prime by the time morel won a title in 2000, Lopez was fighting once a year and only had 1 fight in 99, 2000 and 20001...they were a divison a part and the fight didnt make much since and wouldnt have done anything to enhance his resume...morel was unproven much of the time they were both active

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                #57
                Originally posted by therealpugilist
                far from " weak " as well

                you cant choose your era and outside of Carbajal, and Humberto wasnt much else going to further cement his legacy. he fought the best he could
                Not saying he particularly ducked anyone. Could have moved up earlier but it is what it is.

                His resume is weak though, for a HOF caliber fighter. It just is.

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by IronDanHamza
                  Not saying he particularly ducked anyone. Could have moved up earlier but it is what it is.

                  His resume is weak though, for a HOF caliber fighter. It just is.
                  is a lot of fighters in there that did far less,

                  Gatti....Mancini...graziano.....brian mitchell, danny lil red lopez...loads of them.....at no time were either the best in their division just title holders


                  Lopez holds records retired undefeated and actualy had p4p talent not just exciting fights n media darlings

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                    #59
                    Originally posted by therealpugilist
                    is a lot of fighters in there that did far less,

                    Gatti....Mancini...graziano.....brian mitchell, danny lil red lopez...loads of them.....at no time were either the best in their division just title holders


                    Lopez holds records retired undefeated and actualy had p4p talent not just exciting fights n media darlings
                    What difference does it make they are weaker resumes in the HOF? Yeah there is.

                    I also wouldn’t question his skill set or talent. He was obviously a skilled, elite fighter.

                    None of this changes the fact that his resume is weak. That’s just a fact.

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by IronDanHamza
                      What difference does it make they are weaker resumes in the HOF? Yeah there is.

                      I also wouldn’t question his skill set or talent. He was obviously a skilled, elite fighter.

                      None of this changes the fact that his resume is weak. That’s just a fact.
                      weak is an opinon not a fact....but hey it is what it is

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