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  • kafkod
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    #61
    Originally posted by Boxviewer
    Well said. That were exactly my thoughts. I have been boxing since the 80's. Lewis beat the top guys who have past their prime.
    I wasn't intending to shit on Lewis's career with my comment. Just reminding people who write off AJ because of his loss to Ruiz that fighters, especially in the HW division, can come back from KO defeats and be better than they were before.

    Can Wilder do that?

    I doubt it. He has too much to learn, too little time to learn it, and going straight back into an immediate rematch with Fury looks more like a cash out than a genuine attempt to rebuild.

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      #62
      Originally posted by Bronx2245
      He avenged his losses with KOs. AJ avenged his loss by decision. There are levels to this, and I believe Lennoix is a level above AJ. Lennox also beat much more superior fighters than AJ too.
      Lewis didn't KO McCall. In fact, he didn't even seem to buzz him, despite the fact that McCall had a breakdown in the ring, stopped fighting back, and just stood there crying and letting Lennox tee off on him!

      McCall had a hell of a chin and so does Andy Ruiz. You have to take chins into account.

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      • TMLT87
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        #63
        Its crazy to think Lewis/Bruno fought in the UK in a half empty 50,000 capacity stadium and it wasnt even on PPV. If that fight took place today it'd fill Wembley and break a million domestic buys easy.

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          #64
          The imaginary fight would have been the best HW to happen on the British soil

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            #65
            Originally posted by kafkod
            Rahman won his first world title by upsetting Lewis, of course. He won his second by beating Monte Barret for the WBC interim then getting upgraded when Vitali retired.

            Lewis was the only prime elite opponent Rahman and McMcall ever beat. They were definitely no better than Any Ruiz.
            I never said they were better than Ruiz. I don’t think Ruiz is a bad fighter at all. He is s legit contender just like McCall & Rahman. Ruiz showed up fat against Joshua in the rematch but McCall had a complete mental breakdown in his rematch with Lewis for the vacant WBC title...

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              #66
              Originally posted by Boxviewer
              The way Lewis got knocked out those two is more embarrassing than the temple shot that got AJ concussed. AJ is bigger than Lewis and has got power and combo which will be too much for Lewis. I have been watching boxing since the 80's so I saw all the top guys in the 90s from the time they were just promising prospects. Lewis never had the aura of invincible as the like of Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield had in their prime. Vitali Klitschko was winning before the bad cut caused the fight to be stopped. Thus if Lewis and AJ fight in their prime I would have given 60/40 to AJ.
              I look at Lennox Lewis’ voluntary title defences. Briggs, Botha, Tyson, Holyfield, Golota, Vitali Klitschko, Rahman, Bruno & Tony Tucker, Oliver McCall & Phil Jackson. Other than Jackson those are pretty tough voluntaries. I disagree the 2 knockouts were more embarrassing. He took them lightly & got one punch ko’d. He came back strong & always said those were fluke punches & he proved they were. Joshua got the stuffing beat out of him & pretty much quit. Joshua is a solid HW & top 3 in today’s era but until we see him fight Wilder i won’t say he is better than Wilder let alone Lennox. Tyson paid Lennox 6 million to step aside after losing a court battle to Lennox who they tried to avoid so he could fight Seldon for the WBA title. Tyson & King appealled & lost. So they vacated the WBC title instead to fight Bruce Seldon. Tyson lost to Buster Douglas in his prime. His best win was over Michael Spinks & Ruddock. Tyson avoided Lennox like the plague when he got out of jail & only fought him because he was bankrupt...lennox was better than both Holyfield & Tyson. I rate Holyfield better than Tyson too. Joshua’s 2 best wins are against Povetkin & Klitschko. Klitschko was 41 & Povetkin 38. Lennox retired at 38 after he beat Vitali TKO6. I don’t care if he was losing 4-2 on the cards he wascoming on & fights are 12 rounds. A 38 year old out of shape Lennox still beat a prime Vitali. Who was able to bust up Vitali like that after? No one & Vitali went on to the hall of fame. Joshua is an inch taller & might have 5-10lbs on lennox. You are entitled to your opinion as am I but i can’t put Joshua anywhere near the same class as Lennox until he at least beats Wilder & Fury.
              Last edited by joe strong; 04-30-2020, 09:56 PM.

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                #67
                Originally posted by Corelone
                Hearn and his contracts wouldn't allow it. Lewis would have to sign for options and AJ gets the lions share win, or lose, and rematch.
                For a good reason. He is always the draw. That says enough.

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by Bronx2245
                  He avenged his losses with KOs. AJ avenged his loss by decision. There are levels to this, and I believe Lennoix is a level above AJ. Lennox also beat much more superior fighters than AJ too.
                  Nonsense. AJ won an impressive rematch, he Ruiz no chance at all. Lewis had nothing AJ could not handle. Lewis could not handle AJ's aggression and rapid combo's. Lewis was clearly overrated, he didn't beat anyone AJ couldn't knock out.

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                  • Boxviewer
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                    #69
                    Originally posted by joe strong
                    I look at Lennox Lewis’ voluntary title defences. Briggs, Botha, Tyson, Holyfield, Golota, Vitali Klitschko, Rahman, Bruno & Tony Tucker, Oliver McCall & Phil Jackson. Other than Jackson those are pretty tough voluntaries. I disagree the 2 knockouts were more embarrassing. He took them lightly & got one punch ko’d. He came back strong & always said those were fluke punches & he proved they were. Joshua got the stuffing beat out of him & pretty much quit. Joshua is a solid HW & top 3 in today’s era but until we see him fight Wilder i won’t say he is better than Wilder let alone Lennox. Tyson paid Lennox 6 million to step aside after losing a court battle to Lennox who they tried to avoid so he could fight Seldon for the WBA title. Tyson & King appealled & lost. So they vacated the WBC title instead to fight Bruce Seldon. Tyson lost to Buster Douglas in his prime. His best win was over Michael Spinks & Ruddock. Tyson avoided Lennox like the plague when he got out of jail & only fought him because he was bankrupt...lennox was better than both Holyfield & Tyson. I rate Holyfield better than Tyson too. Joshua’s 2 best wins are against Povetkin & Klitschko. Klitschko was 41 & Povetkin 38. Lennox retired at 38 after he beat Vitali TKO6. I don’t care if he was losing 4-2 on the cards he wascoming on & fights are 12 rounds. A 38 year old out of shape Lennox still beat a prime Vitali. Who was able to bust up Vitali like that after? No one & Vitali went on to the hall of fame. Joshua is an inch taller & might have 5-10lbs on lennox. You are entitled to your opinion as am I but i can’t put Joshua anywhere near the same class as Lennox until he at least beats Wilder & Fury.
                    Like you said everyone entitled to his own opinion. Holyfield and Tyson weren't in their prime when they lost to Lewis. AJ has fought stronger opponents than Wilder and Fury. BTW, Wilder has been ducking for the disputed heavy weight champion bout,$100M couldn't motivate him to fight AJ. Wilder has ducking good opposition for a reason and Fury has showed why twice.

                    Regarding Fury, this is first time he's in a position to fight AJ. After his comeback AJ wanted him to get in shape first,.

                    Unlike Wilder who was trying to benefit from the bad shape Fury was in but still he didn't have what it takes to beat him; a cherry pick that went wrong. So I don't see how AJ beating Wilder will prove anything at all about AJ's capability because Wilder is not an elite boxer, imo.

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                    • JakeTheBoxer
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                      #70
                      Only haters think Joshua would stand no chance. Lewis was not such a killer. As explained, he was stopped twice, he also went 12 rounds with Euro fighter like Mavrovic.

                      Joshua is obviously better than old Tyson and Joshua would be one of top 3 opponents Lewis ever faced.

                      You youngsters, go watch the fights of Lewis, don`t just read about him on wikipedia.

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