Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Pacquiao, Devin Haney, Ruiz-Reynoso, More

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Mayweather waited for fighters to age. Dictated terms. Where to fight. What gloves to wear. Had the****utic exemptions. Made false accusations. Couldn't win fair. Had to have all the advantages. You can see in the way he fights. Excessive holding, running.

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Mayweather waited for fighters to age. Dictated terms. Where to fight. What gloves to wear. Had the****utic exemptions. Made false accusations. Couldn't win fair. Had to have all the advantages. You can see in the way he fights. Excessive holding, running.

Pac ducked blood tests for years when he was juicing. He only beat old guys who were at the lowest point in their career. You LITERALLY had to sign with Top Rank to get that fight lol... oh, and you had to fight at manny-weight. You had to be old and shot, fight at manny-weight, and no drug-testing.

see how that works

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max kellerman a well known floyd nuthugger thinks that pac is way above than floyd in lb4lb ATG and considered pac as the GOAT lb4lb

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No matter how hard the floIV fans would try to twist everything to make floyd look better it will not happen because we are now in the era of video can be watch where/when u want it and video never lies. Sorry to floyd fans but the truth hurts..

[aboutfkntime]

max kellerman a well known floyd nuthugger thinks that pac is way above than floyd in lb4lb ATG and considered pac as the GOAT lb4lb

ROBERT GARCIA INSISTS MAYWEATHER IS BEST OF ERA;

SAYS KELLERMAN PICKING PACQUIAO WAS HBO MOVE

[harry-greb]

Mayweather is simply better in every department

there is only one criteria for greatness...

WHO did you beat... with consideration given to when/how

consideration is also given to losses, but mainly when comparing fighters against other greats... because greatness is defined by high-points, not by low-points

that is how historians rate fighters, check Cliff Rold's MAAT

comparing fighters against other greats, is what we are doing now... so losses are relevant, and do count

it is actually ridiculous to suggest that losses do not count

Mayweather simply has a better resume than Pacquiao

he beat better caliber fighters, when they were at a better stage in their career

there are plenty of question-marks over Pacquiao's career... he was very carefully managed, and not the fearless warrior you make out... from manny-weight... to the best match-making in the business from Bruce Trampler and Brad Goodman... fighting guys at the very lowest point in their career like Hoya, Hatton, Cotto, Margarito, Mosley, etc...

there was a string of red-hot #3 welters... Pac did not fight any of them, not one... until he faced Mayweather, Pac's only top 5 opponent was Bradley... Mayweather fought ALL of those number #3 welters, when they were hot

while Mayweather was fighting those hot #3's... Pac was fighting all those Top Rank inhouse junior welters, at 144... Rios Algieri Vargas Matthyse...

... why wouldn't Pac rematch Cotto at 150? ... Arum said Cotto was their first pick, but that fight died over weight... Pac demanded 147, knowing Cotto had moved up to 154, and he would not negotiate like he did with Margarito... and why all those excuses to avoid Mosley, until it became clearly obvious that Shane was shot?

and then, there are other su****ions... lets just leave that one there

Pacquiao does not have wins that match the following...
* Canelo
* Pacquiao
* Marquez

those 3 wins are better than anything ob Pac's resume

Mayweather achieved better high-points than Pacquiao, not even close

and he did not experience the low-points... numerous losses, some by shocking knockout

really... it is not that close

like I have been saying for years, and nothing has changed... Mayweather is top 15'ish, maybe slightly higher... Pacquiao is top 25'ish, maybe slightly higher

Floyd is not better in every department. Cmon now.

There is more than 1 criteria for greatness ie how u react in adversity defeats etc). How has Manny reacted after ko's?? He comes back better. That's greatness right there

You never answered my question.
Are pep Duran and Louis Greater than saddler, Hearns and Marciano????????

Of course losses count but in this ridiculous era, idiots call Floyd TBE because he never lost.
Nobody, not even you think that Floyd is TBE.

You mention he fought fighters at their lowest point.
He jumped up 2 weight classes to fight de lá hoya. Nobody gave him a chance. I doubt u did either.

He fought Hatton who was the lineal 140lb champion at his natural weight. Yes he had lost to flloyd a couple of years earlier but he was back in form after beating Pauline and lazcano.

He fought cotto who wasn't at his absolute apex of his career, fair enough but Manny was the much smaller man and cotto hurt him in the first four rounds and permanently damaged his ear. I thought at the time that cotto would murder pacquiao.

You don't mention barrera morales or marquez in your list. Pacquiao was an ATG before he even got to welterweight.

You mention #3 welters, who are they. I know who they're not. Margarito and Williams. Flloyd conveniently retired after the Hatton fight just when those 2 were at the top of the welterweight division.

Please don't tell me you're talking about guererro and ortiz, for God sake.
I agree with you on rios and algieri but those were showcase fights for arum in Macau. Floyd has had a few of those too. Brusselles, sharmba Mitchell, berto

You mention rematching cotto at 150. I've no doubt pac would have but roach and arum said no.
Why didn't Floyd rematch canelo at 160 or Oscar at 54. There was a rematch clause for Oscar but Floyd retired and waited out the clause.

I agree shane was done, but he wasn't exactly in his prime vs Floyd.
Neither fought a prime mosley.

I'll ask u this question.
Has Floyd ever fought an elite, in their prime fighter, in their natural weight class???????

If u want to go down the su****ious route, there's plenty to go around
Floyd and the IV and the hand injections.
I honestly don't know if Manny was juicing. He could have been.

You talk about Floyd having better high points???
Pacquiao is only the 3rd triple crown champion in the history of boxing after Fitz and Henry Armstrong.
You don't get higher than that!!!
And he did it in non-consecutive weight classes and in three different decades. An absolutely unbelievable achievement.
Floyd could have done it by fighting for the middleweight title (when Sergio Martinez called him out) be he chose not to. He didn't dare to be great. He's slightly more cautious than pacquiao. It's not a criticism. He's beaten the game, retired with his health and hundreds of millions in the bank but when I think of my boxing heroes, I don't want calculation and caution I want balls to the wall and go for it. But that's just me
He's also 24 years as a pro fighting in 4 different decades and just beat a naturally bigger man, 10 years his junior who just happened to be a #3 welter!!!!!!!!!
Is longevity not a sign of greatness??? Particularly in the toughest sport of them all???
And if reports are to be believed there are talks now for pacquiao to fight bud. How about that for daring to be great???? Fearless!!!

Oh you mention "Manny weight".
I couldn't agree more. Catchweights are nonsense.
What about "Floyd weight"??
Canelo at 152 and marquez at 144
And Floyd came in at 146 by the way

Who have u got between Floyd at 15 and pacquiao at 25 in your all time list??

In conclusion they are both all time greats but in my opinion, Manny is slightly greater

[harry-greb]

max kellerman a well known floyd nuthugger thinks that pac is way above than floyd in lb4lb ATG and considered pac as the GOAT lb4lb

No he doesn't consider pacquiao the GOAT

[harry-greb]

Pac ducked blood tests for years when he was juicing. He only beat old guys who were at the lowest point in their career. You LITERALLY had to sign with Top Rank to get that fight lol... oh, and you had to fight at manny-weight. You had to be old and shot, fight at manny-weight, and no drug-testing.

see how that works

Was Bradley old and shot?

[harry-greb]

none of that wank is criteria for greatness

NONE !!

now I see why you pac-tards get it so bent LMAO





Pacquiao does not have better wins better than...

* Canelo
* Pacquiao
* Marquez

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So they're Floyd's 3 best wins???
2 catch weights and a lightweight with an injured shoulder!!!!!!!!!!!!

You're right, that is GREATNESS!!!!
Hahaha shake my head

[aboutfkntime]

Floyd is not better in every department. Cmon now.

There is more than 1 criteria for greatness ie how u react in adversity defeats etc). How has Manny reacted after ko's?? He comes back better. That's greatness right there

You never answered my question.
Are pep Duran and Louis Greater than saddler, Hearns and Marciano????????

Of course losses count but in this ridiculous era, idiots call Floyd TBE because he never lost.
Nobody, not even you think that Floyd is TBE.

You mention he fought fighters at their lowest point.
He jumped up 2 weight classes to fight de lá hoya. Nobody gave him a chance. I doubt u did either.

He fought Hatton who was the lineal 140lb champion at his natural weight. Yes he had lost to flloyd a couple of years earlier but he was back in form after beating Pauline and lazcano.

He fought cotto who wasn't at his absolute apex of his career, fair enough but Manny was the much smaller man and cotto hurt him in the first four rounds and permanently damaged his ear. I thought at the time that cotto would murder pacquiao.

You don't mention barrera morales or marquez in your list. Pacquiao was an ATG before he even got to welterweight.

You mention #3 welters, who are they. I know who they're not. Margarito and Williams. Flloyd conveniently retired after the Hatton fight just when those 2 were at the top of the welterweight division.

Please don't tell me you're talking about guererro and ortiz, for God sake.
I agree with you on rios and algieri but those were showcase fights for arum in Macau. Floyd has had a few of those too. Brusselles, sharmba Mitchell, berto

You mention rematching cotto at 150. I've no doubt pac would have but roach and arum said no.
Why didn't Floyd rematch canelo at 160 or Oscar at 54. There was a rematch clause for Oscar but Floyd retired and waited out the clause.

I agree shane was done, but he wasn't exactly in his prime vs Floyd.
Neither fought a prime mosley.

I'll ask u this question.
Has Floyd ever fought an elite, in their prime fighter, in their natural weight class???????

If u want to go down the su****ious route, there's plenty to go around
Floyd and the IV and the hand injections.
I honestly don't know if Manny was juicing. He could have been.

You talk about Floyd having better high points???
Pacquiao is only the 3rd triple crown champion in the history of boxing after Fitz and Henry Armstrong.
You don't get higher than that!!!
And he did it in non-consecutive weight classes and in three different decades. An absolutely unbelievable achievement.
Floyd could have done it by fighting for the middleweight title (when Sergio Martinez called him out) be he chose not to. He didn't dare to be great. He's slightly more cautious than pacquiao. It's not a criticism. He's beaten the game, retired with his health and hundreds of millions in the bank but when I think of my boxing heroes, I don't want calculation and caution I want balls to the wall and go for it. But that's just me
He's also 24 years as a pro fighting in 4 different decades and just beat a naturally bigger man, 10 years his junior who just happened to be a #3 welter!!!!!!!!!
Is longevity not a sign of greatness??? Particularly in the toughest sport of them all???
And if reports are to be believed there are talks now for pacquiao to fight bud. How about that for daring to be great???? Fearless!!!

Oh you mention "Manny weight".
I couldn't agree more. Catchweights are nonsense.
What about "Floyd weight"??
Canelo at 152 and marquez at 144
And Floyd came in at 146 by the way

Who have u got between Floyd at 15 and pacquiao at 25 in your all time list??

In conclusion they are both all time greats but in my opinion, Manny is slightly greater

did you just criticize the Canelo win for Mayweather, because of the catchweight... but then attempt to blow smoke up Pac's ass for beating 145lb Hoya?

you pacfans had YEARS to smarten up dude... just saying

no historians will rate Pacquiao over Mayweather

even raving pac-tards Dan Rafael and Kevin Iole both recently admitted that Mayweather is greater than Pacquiao

in sparring, Guerrero and Ortiz both laid serious hands on Pac... Roach described the Ortiz session as... "the best sparring ever"... there is a reason why Pac never fought that run of red-hot #3's...

you criticize fighters, like a typical pacfan lol... despite the fact that Pac would not fight those guys, and despite the fact he was fighting opponents who were worse... and you missed the point... I was not pointing out that Mayweather fought better versions of their common opponent, even though he did... I was pointing out that Pac refused to fight those guys until it was clearly obvious that they were at the lowest point in their career... Hoya, Hatton, Cotto, Margarito, Mosley, etc... had never been in a worse position, before or after

#timing

he also had like 8/9 CONSECUTIVE weight-affected fights... hence the new boxing terms "catch-weight king" and "manny-weight"... and yet you try to diminish Mayweathers win over Canelo... despite the fact that the catchweight made no difference, and despite the fact that Canelo weighed 153 in his previous fight

#manny-weight

Pac could not separate himself from Marquez

Mayweather SCHOOLED Marquez... not even close

Pac would never have fought Canelo at 152, we know that by how Pac refused to rematch Cotto (a fighter he had already beaten) at 150... nobody would give him much of a chance to beat Canelo... ... but Mayweather SCHOOLED Canelo... not even close... just like Mayweather schooled other guys that Pac would not fight like Ortiz

you mentioned Martinez... Pac said "I will fight anyone at 150"... Martinez IMMEDIATELY replied within 1-2 days... "no problem, let's go"... Pac NEVER mentioned 150 again lol

and barrera morales or marquez are not better than Pacquiao, Canelo, Marquez

btw, Morales beat Pacquiao, and Marquez nearly killed him

Mayweather is simply better than Pacquiao in every department, which is why he operated on a higher level