Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Pacquiao, Devin Haney, Ruiz-Reynoso, More

[harry-greb]

only a fool would believe that following surgery... Manny had no follow-up treatment whatsoever, and did no physio/rehab

that is impossible, it never happened... Pac is either lying about the surgery, or he is lying about his "miraculous" recovery... take your pick ^^

I just need you to type out in plain English

"I DO NOT BELIEVE DR. NEAL ATTRACHE ABOUT HIM PERFORMING SURGERY ON A SIGNIFICANT TEAR IN PACQUIAO'S SHOULDER".

can you do that for me?

[aboutfkntime]

I just need you to type out in plain English

"I DO NOT BELIEVE DR. NEAL ATTRACHE ABOUT HIM PERFORMING SURGERY ON A SIGNIFICANT TEAR IN PACQUIAO'S SHOULDER".

can you do that for me?

I just need you to type out in plain english:

I BELIEVE IN SALT-WATER HEALING !! ... IT MIRACULOUSLY CURED MANNY PACQUIAO'S TORN ROTATOR CUFF

can you do that for me?

Pac is either lying about the surgery... or he is lying about his "miraculous" recovery... take your pick

[harry-greb]

nobody insisted that Hoya was Pac's fault... simply because, the fault is not the issue...

FACT: that was a weight-affected fight... because Hoya weighed 145 lol

the fight was definitely affected by weight

the fact that Oscar killed himself because of the UNPRECEDENTED weight-penalty... need not be mentioned, but cannot be entirely forgotten

FACT: Hoya Hatton Cotto Margarito Mosley... were all at the lowest point in their career, nobody can argue against that... there had never been a worse version of those fighters at that point

the following factors ALL favor Mayweather...

1) caliber of win... Pacquiao simply does not have a better win than the top 3 wins on Mayweathers record... not even close

2) body of work... Mayweather faced about 20 current/former world champs CONSECUTIVELY... nobody faced more champs than Mayweather

3) losses... Mayweather retired undefeated, Pacquiao suffered highlight-reel knockouts

4) levels/opponents... Mayweather was able to distance himself from an opponent much better than Pac, mostly because of his style/skillset... Pac went life-n-death with his best wins

I don't even think it's close man

Pac is great, but Mayweather is clearly greater

and the fans who think Mayweather is the GOAT are fkn ret4rded... so no way is Manny the GOAT lol, because we know Floyd ranks higher

like I have been saying for a looooong time, and nothing has changed... because it takes a LOT to change the landscape up there at that level... Mayweather is top 15'ish, maybe a little higher... Pacquiao is top 25'ish, maybe a little higher

that is no slight on either of those great fighters... Pacquiao fans simply cannot have that, and cannot keep it real

1. Calibre of win. Are you fookin tripping?
Victories over a prime barrera, marquez (judges messed up the first round scoring) and morales at their best weights all trump mayweathers wins over a young green canelo, a fat bloated marquez (dragged up 2 divisions by floyd) and an injured lightweight pacquiao. NOT EVEN CLOSE.
And for the record, Floyd's rematch win over castillo is one of his top 3 wins.

2. Body of work.

You are crazy if u think floyd has an overall better body of work than manny.
Pacquiao is only the 4th classic triple crown champion in history (I count SRR in that list as he beat Sammy angott who was lightweight champ at the time)
Manny won the flyweight title in 90's
He skipped the bantam title
He won featherweight title in 00's
He skipped the lightweight title
He won the welter title in the 2010's

And he was the underdog in his flyweight and featherweight attempts

That is a mind-boggling achievement.
No fighter in history has won the lineal flyweight, featherweight and welterweight title.

He was flyweight champ in 98 and welterweight champ in 2014.
There's 35lbs (and 16 years) between fly and welter. That would be like floyd winning the superfeather title (which he did), and moving all the way up to supermiddle and beating Andre ward. Floyd ain't doing that in a million years.
Longevity. And I'm talking about REAL championships, not mickey mouse belt holders that you seem to champion. 20 current or former world champions??? GTFOH. EVERY SECOND FIGHTER IS A "WORLD CHAMPION" IN THIS PHONY ERA!!

Now fair play, floyd has won the lineal lightweight and welterweight titles. BUT he should have attempted the middleweight title. He didn't.
Oh and by the way, floyd didn't beat 20 current/former "World"champions consecutively. Do you do any research??? He beat 16 consecutively.

(3) Losses
The greatest fighters of all time have all lost. Nuff said!!!!
How has manny come back from losses?? Has he been affected or gun-shy?? Nope, he brushed them off and went right back to it.
Resilience - greatness

4. Levels/opponents.

Floyd didn't distance himself too well from castillo or chino. Very lucky to get those decisions.

Pacquiao always goes for the kill, hence he's more likely to get clipped.
Floyd is safety first, and brilliant may I add, hence he's more likely to avoid getting hit. They just have different styles.

Oh and finally let's talk about now.
Pacquiao, at 40 has just beaten the much bigger, undefeated, most accomplished welterweight (at the time the fought) of this era.

Who did floyd fight at 40???? LMAO

manny is now at 40, after being a pro for 24 years, a top 3 welterweight. Unbelievable.
And he's in talks to fight bud.

And he's taken no long breaks in that 24 years, whereas floyd had (conveniently) taken off huge gaps between fights.

Longevity =greatness

And manny has called out mayweather time and again for a rematch. If it was so easy the first time, surely it'll be easy work to bank 200 million the second time. But no, cautious floyd wants to protect that 0 at all costs

They're are both great but manny is greater and if he beats bud he's top 10

[harry-greb]

I just need you to type out in plain english:

I BELIEVE IN SALT-WATER HEALING !! ... IT MIRACULOUSLY CURED MANNY PACQUIAO'S TORN ROTATOR CUFF

can you do that for me?

Nah, the 90 minute surgery "miraculously" repaired it!!!!!

[aboutfkntime]

1. Calibre of win. Are you fookin tripping?
Victories over a prime barrera, marquez (judges messed up the first round scoring) and morales at their best weights all trump mayweathers wins over a young green canelo, a fat bloated marquez (dragged up 2 divisions by floyd) and an injured lightweight pacquiao. NOT EVEN CLOSE.
And for the record, Floyd's rematch win over castillo is one of his top 3 wins.

2. Body of work.

You are crazy if u think floyd has an overall better body of work than manny.
Pacquiao is only the 4th classic triple crown champion in history (I count SRR in that list as he beat Sammy angott who was lightweight champ at the time)
Manny won the flyweight title in 90's
He skipped the bantam title
He won featherweight title in 00's
He skipped the lightweight title
He won the welter title in the 2010's

And he was the underdog in his flyweight and featherweight attempts

That is a mind-boggling achievement.
No fighter in history has won the lineal flyweight, featherweight and welterweight title.

He was flyweight champ in 98 and welterweight champ in 2014.
There's 35lbs (and 16 years) between fly and welter. That would be like floyd winning the superfeather title (which he did), and moving all the way up to supermiddle and beating Andre ward. Floyd ain't doing that in a million years.
Longevity. And I'm talking about REAL championships, not mickey mouse belt holders that you seem to champion. 20 current or former world champions??? GTFOH. EVERY SECOND FIGHTER IS A "WORLD CHAMPION" IN THIS PHONY ERA!!

Now fair play, floyd has won the lineal lightweight and welterweight titles. BUT he should have attempted the middleweight title. He didn't.
Oh and by the way, floyd didn't beat 20 current/former "World"champions consecutively. Do you do any research??? He beat 16 consecutively.

(3) Losses
The greatest fighters of all time have all lost. Nuff said!!!!
How has manny come back from losses?? Has he been affected or gun-shy?? Nope, he brushed them off and went right back to it.
Resilience - greatness

4. Levels/opponents.

Floyd didn't distance himself too well from castillo or chino. Very lucky to get those decisions.

Pacquiao always goes for the kill, hence he's more likely to get clipped.
Floyd is safety first, and brilliant may I add, hence he's more likely to avoid getting hit. They just have different styles.

Oh and finally let's talk about now.
Pacquiao, at 40 has just beaten the much bigger, undefeated, most accomplished welterweight (at the time the fought) of this era.

Who did floyd fight at 40???? LMAO

manny is now at 40, after being a pro for 24 years, a top 3 welterweight. Unbelievable.
And he's in talks to fight bud.

And he's taken no long breaks in that 24 years, whereas floyd had (conveniently) taken off huge gaps between fights.

Longevity =greatness

And manny has called out mayweather time and again for a rematch. If it was so easy the first time, surely it'll be easy work to bank 200 million the second time. But no, cautious floyd wants to protect that 0 at all costs

They're are both great but manny is greater and if he beats bud he's top 10

wow, you wrote a lot of fanboy dribble in that shltty post

FACT: there is only one criteria for greatness...

WHO did you beat... with consideration given to when/how

1) Pacquiao does not even have 1 win, that can match the 3x best wins on Mayweathers resume... Morales was old in their first fight, and he beat Pac lol... Pac only beat Morales because he needed a do-over with an old man... and Marquez nearly decapitated Pacquiao, yet Mayweather shut him down

2) nobody faced more champs than Mayweather, Pac hid behind Arums skirt fighting all those top rank jww's at 144

3) losing counts man... or should I say, doesn't count... very difficult to compare a fighter who retired undefeated, against a fighter who suffered highlight-reel knockouts... especially when the guy who retired undefeated faced better competition

no real historian ranks Pacquiao higher than Mayweather, it is not even really that close... I don't even think most pacfans think he is better than Floyd, only about a dozen silly pac-tards say that

Mayweather is top 15'ish, maybe a little higher... Pacquiao is top 25'ish, maybe a little higher