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  • #61
    Originally posted by harry-greb View Post
    OK, here's another long one. I'll try and address all your points. You haven't addressed all of mine

    1. I didn't criticise the canelo win. I merely pointed out the fact that floyd is not above catchweight criticism. It was a good win over a green canelo.

    Oscar vs pac wasn't a catchweight Oscar called pacquiao out while he was a lightweight. Oscar offered to come to 47. Manny had to move up 2 divisions. If u thought manny wud whip him, you must have made a killing at the bookies. No? (didn't think so!!)


    no, it was a " weight-affected " fight

    the point is the same...

    old shrink-wrapped 145lb Hoya was at the lowest point in his career

    Canelo came in 1 pound less than his previous fight

    no comparison there

    and the reason why I described that fight as... " weight-affected " ... is because of the unprecedented $3.5m per-pound (or part thereof) weight-penalty... which is why Oscar killed himself on the scales...

    that unprecedented weight-penalty has since been eclipsed only once in boxing history... $10m per-pound (or part thereof) on Floyd Mayweather, also by Pacquiao

    Team Pacquiao managed weight and timing masterfully



    3. Plenty of historians (max kellerman for example) rate pac above floyd.
    Please don't put the word historian with the words iole and Rafael. I'm laughing here. Those guys are a joke


    Max is not a historian... he is a HBO analyst

    and nobody referred to Iole and Rafael as historians, I called them both 'raving pac-tards'



    4. You're not seriously bringing up sparring are you??? Did you ever watch pacquiao sparring?? He's often joking around in there. Amir Khan gave him great sparring!!
    You think Khan would beat pacquiao??? Haha
    Manny would have flattened ortiz and guerrero with ease.


    the facts are... Pac got dished up, and he did not take either of those fights

    Pac fought at welter for YEARS, but he did not face ANY of those hot #3's... right up to Maidana... and yet Floyd fought ALL of them

    there is no real argument as to who fought the best competition



    5. Show me evidence of when he refused to fight Oscar, Hatton, cotto or margarito........
    He wasn't in their weight divisions so how could he refuse to fight them.?? Absolute nonsense.


    Pac did not refuse to fight Oscar / Hatton / Cotto / Margarito

    he fought them when they were at the very lowest point in their career

    I said he refused to fight Cotto at 150... despite having already beaten Cotto, and despite already fighting Margarito at 150... that negotiation died over weight, because they needed Cotto to feel the pinch...
    https://www.boxingscene.com/cotto-i-...acquiao--48928



    6. Don't talk about #timing. Floyd was the most calculating of them all. #timing king


    nope, you can clearly see... he fought all those #3's when they were hot, coming off a career-defining win... and he did that because he wanted the money/numbers... Pac fought Hoya Hatton Cotto Margarito and Mosley when they were at the lowest point in their career... Roach admitted that they refused to fight Mosley TWICE because... "you are too good, and there is not enough money"



    7. You said manny had 8/9 consecutive weight affected fights
    SHOW ME


    actually they are not consecutive, but there is more than 8

    Hoya Hatton Cotto Margarito Marquez Rios Algieri... guys like Vargas Matthyse Broner were not really welters... Vargas may have been ready to move up but guys like him and Horn etc are not top tier

    Hoya needed to weigh 150+ (min) to be regarded as healthy

    145 killed him

    Ricky Fatton blew up to 190 between fights... he killed himself to make weight and was much better at welter by that point

    Cotto Margarito Marquez Rios Algieri were all catchweights

    guys like Marquez Rios Algieri Vargas Matthyse Broner should have all happened at 140... Ariza/Roach admitted that Pac was a natural JWW at that point, and he needed 6 meals a day including 3am/6am shakes just to fight at 144 because he burned the weight off in camp... Marquez III was a setup, he had never fought above 135, and yet they dragged him up as high as possible... that fight should definitely have happened at 140

    #mannyweight
    #thecatchweightking



    8. You say canelo weighed 153 for his previous fight before floyd and the weight made no difference.
    What did cotto weigh in his fight before manny?????
    He weighed 146!!!!!!! So if it made no difference for floyd, it should make no difference for manny. Fair is fair.


    fair point... although, Cotto moved up in weight immediately following that fight, which is always a clear indicator... Canelo stayed at JMW and he made 154 against Smith 3 years later



    9. Yes marquez gave manny serious problems. So what. It's happened throughout history he still had the balls to fight him 4 times even though he was a nightmare to fight.


    that was not the point

    Mayweather SCHOOLED guys that either.. would have, or nearly did... kill Pacquiao

    and Mayweather easily beat Pacquiao

    Mayweather easily beat 3 opponents, who are better than anyone on Pac's resume... and the best guys on Pacs resume, either beat him (Morales) or nearly killed him (Marquez)

    the fact that Manny could never distance himself from Marquez is telling



    10. Pacquiao did not refuse cotto at 150. I just read quotes from cotto to Dan Rafael that it was money that was the obstacle. I can link u the article.
    Who knows if manny would have beaten canelo. All I know is fighters with awkward style and footspeed caused canelo problems.
    Stop with the ortiz thing. Start a thread on here with a poll, pac vs ortiz. Go on. I dare ya!!!


    nope, it was the weight... I already proved that above

    Bob Arum stated that Cotto was their first-choice opponent, he wanted that fight... but Pac refused to fight over weight so the negotiation died in a hole

    https://www.boxingscene.com/cotto-i-...acquiao--48928



    11. I did mention Martinez but u didn't respond. He constantly called out floyd at 54 but all he got was crickets.
    You expected little manny to fight Martinez???? Ridiculous
    You want to talk about avoiding fighters. How about floyd calling out winky, and winky answered the call, a contract was drawn up. But listen to this Mr mannyweight. Floyd demanded it at 154.the weigh in be on the day of the fight, winky could not put on more than 8 pounds. Winky called his bluff. Gary Shaw was at top rank offices to sign the contract and FLOYD PULLED OUT.


    they fight in the same division, and Pac fought Stinkarito at 150 lol... so why did you just give "little" Manny a free pass?



    12. And barrera marquez and morales ARE better than a young green catchweight canelo, a small fat catchweight marquez and a 2015 version of a lightweight pacquiao with an injured shoulder
    Oh and here's the kicker- Floyd's own father in between rounds was telling him he's fighting scared. Haha hahaha, his own father telling him he's fighting scared against a lightweight pacquiao.


    I am not convinced that is true at all, Canelo has already eclipsed both... he will go down in history as a MUCH better fighter than my boy Morales


    Manny Pacquiao can take a punch, but a segment of his fans have a glass jaw.

    Pacquiao's backers took to social media to blast in-ring interviewer Max Kellerman for questioning Pacquiao — aka, doing his job — after the Filipino fighter said he thought he won Saturday's fight against Floyd Mayweather.

    "You thought you won the fight," an incredulous Kellerman asked after Mayweather won in a unanimous decision, 118-110, 116-112, 116-112. "Why?"

    When Pacquiao said Mayweather "didn't do nothing," Kellerman continued, "But he had to be hitting you with something because you weren't attacking him with the same kind of ferocity that we sometimes see you attack. Was he not doing something to keep you off?"

    and no, Pacquiao did not pull the phantom injury excuse... that was Bob Arum much later at the press conference

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    • #62
      Originally posted by harry-greb View Post
      Dr. Neal ElAttrache, orthopedic surgeon, Los Angeles performed the 90 minute surgery.
      "a significant tear in pacquiao's right shoulder".

      But don't worry about it mate, I'm sure he's not a real doctor. He's probably a salt water guru LMAO
      Riiiiiighty then


      if it did not require a significant amount of recovery/rehab, then it was not a torn rotator cuff

      I do not believe the 90min surgery story, Pac is suspected to have undergone a arthroscope... which is very common, relatively minor, and in some cases patients can... "never saw a doctor. I never did rehab"


      SPORTING CHANCE - Joaquin M. Henson (The Philippine Star ) - August 11, 2015 - 10:00am

      Manny’s miraculous recovery

      "It’s God’s work. I never saw a doctor. I never did rehab. All I did was to swim in the sea as often as I could. The salt water healed my wound."

      Pacquiao’s business manager Eric Pineda, who was also in Tokyo, called it a miraculous recovery. "Manny has strong faith," he said. "God did it. And all that swimming in the sea helped. Now, there’s talk of his comeback fight."



      that injury story is right up there with tinkerbell

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      • #63
        Originally posted by aboutfkntime View Post
        no, it was a " weight-affected " fight

        the point is the same...

        old shrink-wrapped 145lb Hoya was at the lowest point in his career

        Canelo came in 1 pound less than his previous fight

        no comparison there

        and the reason why I described that fight as... " weight-affected " ... is because of the unprecedented $3.5m per-pound (or part thereof) weight-penalty... which is why Oscar killed himself on the scales...

        that unprecedented weight-penalty has since been eclipsed only once in boxing history... $10m per-pound (or part thereof) on Floyd Mayweather, also by Pacquiao

        Team Pacquiao managed weight and timing masterfully







        Max is not a historian... he is a HBO analyst

        and nobody referred to Iole and Rafael as historians, I called them both 'raving pac-tards'







        the facts are... Pac got dished up, and he did not take either of those fights

        Pac fought at welter for YEARS, but he did not face ANY of those hot #3's... right up to Maidana... and yet Floyd fought ALL of them

        there is no real argument as to who fought the best competition







        Pac did not refuse to fight Oscar / Hatton / Cotto / Margarito

        he fought them when they were at the very lowest point in their career

        I said he refused to fight Cotto at 150... despite having already beaten Cotto, and despite already fighting Margarito at 150... that negotiation died over weight, because they needed Cotto to feel the pinch...
        https://www.boxingscene.com/cotto-i-...acquiao--48928







        nope, you can clearly see... he fought all those #3's when they were hot, coming off a career-defining win... and he did that because he wanted the money/numbers... Pac fought Hoya Hatton Cotto Margarito and Mosley when they were at the lowest point in their career... Roach admitted that they refused to fight Mosley TWICE because... "you are too good, and there is not enough money"







        actually they are not consecutive, but there is more than 8

        Hoya Hatton Cotto Margarito Marquez Rios Algieri... guys like Vargas Matthyse Broner were not really welters... Vargas may have been ready to move up but guys like him and Horn etc are not top tier

        Hoya needed to weigh 150+ (min) to be regarded as healthy

        145 killed him

        Ricky Fatton blew up to 190 between fights... he killed himself to make weight and was much better at welter by that point

        Cotto Margarito Marquez Rios Algieri were all catchweights

        guys like Marquez Rios Algieri Vargas Matthyse Broner should have all happened at 140... Ariza/Roach admitted that Pac was a natural JWW at that point, and he needed 6 meals a day including 3am/6am shakes just to fight at 144 because he burned the weight off in camp... Marquez III was a setup, he had never fought above 135, and yet they dragged him up as high as possible... that fight should definitely have happened at 140

        #mannyweight
        #thecatchweightking







        fair point... although, Cotto moved up in weight immediately following that fight, which is always a clear indicator... Canelo stayed at JMW and he made 154 against Smith 3 years later







        that was not the point

        Mayweather SCHOOLED guys that either.. would have, or nearly did... kill Pacquiao

        and Mayweather easily beat Pacquiao

        Mayweather easily beat 3 opponents, who are better than anyone on Pac's resume... and the best guys on Pacs resume, either beat him (Morales) or nearly killed him (Marquez)

        the fact that Manny could never distance himself from Marquez is telling







        nope, it was the weight... I already proved that above

        Bob Arum stated that Cotto was their first-choice opponent, he wanted that fight... but Pac refused to fight over weight so the negotiation died in a hole

        https://www.boxingscene.com/cotto-i-...acquiao--48928







        they fight in the same division, and Pac fought Stinkarito at 150 lol... so why did you just give "little" Manny a free pass?







        I am not convinced that is true at all, Canelo has already eclipsed both... he will go down in history as a MUCH better fighter than my boy Morales





        and no, Pacquiao did not pull the phantom injury excuse... that was Bob Arum much later at the press conference
        OK your first point on Oscar.
        Oscar couldn't get the rematch with floyd (floyd retired rather than make a career high payday over a guy he already beat!!!!)
        So Oscar went for the next most lucrative fight which was pacquiao who had just moved up to lightweight. There was always 4 or 5 weight divisions between them.
        So Oscar had to come down to 47 and manny had to move up 2 divisions. When the superstar and moneyman of the sport calls u out, and gives u a chance to break out into the sporting landscape and become a household name do you expect him to turn it down. Its not as if manny was a welterweight and waited out Oscar. Come on now. Be objective. And he was the underdog in the fight!!!

        Why do you think they put the 10 million penalty for floyd? Could it have anything to do with floyd stiffing marquez at the weigh in?? Hmmmm

        Max is a boxing historian. He has a vast knowledge of the history and traditions of the sport.

        The reason he didn't fight ortiz and guerrero is because they were with pbc. This was the height of the top rank vs pbc feud. Do u honestly think he would duck those two.???LMAO

        Pacquiao did Not fight Hatton, cotto, or margarito at the lowest points in their career. Nonsense
        He fought Hatton at his best weight 18 months after floyd.
        The lowest point in hattons career would have been 4 months after floyd beat him.

        He fought cotto after cotto beat Joshua clottey (one of the best welters at the time)
        The lowest point in cottos career would have been directly after the margarito fight.

        He fought margarito 22 months after the defeat to Shane. Not the lowest point in his career.

        I will concede that Oscar was done but he was still the underdog in that fight and the bookies rarely get it wrong.
        Yes I recall roach not wanting mosley. Fair enough. Still wasn't the lowest point in his career but I get your point.

        Stop with the weight affected rubbish. Pacquiao had to take the Oscar fight for to become a superstar. Oscar challenged pacquiao. Pac moved up 2 divisions after 1 fight at lightweight. Just stop.
        Just like u said the catchweight benifitted marquez against floyd, the 144 catchweights benifitted the opponents. Pacquiao could have dragged them up to 147 but he didn't. And anyway, he was the same Suze or smaller tha all those guys. Made no difference to the result.
        You're reaching there

        Manny vs marquez 3
        Oh the delicious irony.!!!
        Marquez had fought above lightweight before. Guess who dragged him up 2 divisions??????
        That's right, your boy floyd joy.
        2 years before he fought manny.
        Your blowing it son
        #floydweight
        #stiffedhimattheweight

        Stop with the hyperbole. Marquez kod manny, he didn't "nearly kill him".
        It's funny how floyd was all over fighting Manny after that happened.
        Talk about fighting opponents when they were at their lowest. Floyd didn't dare tackle manny in 2010.

        Yes floyd beat Manny but he fought scared. Scared of a lightweight. His own Daddy said it. On his biggest night, he picked and poked a decision. #greatnessnot

        Who ko'd morales twice?
        Beat barrera twice
        Beat Marquez 3 times (judges messed up the first fight)
        Tim Bradley 3 times. And on and on

        Canelo was as green as grass when floyd got him and marquez was dragged up from lightweight.
        #greatness

        Regarding the cotto rematch I don't know what to tell you. If you choose to believe Bob arum over Miguel cotto then that's on you. Cotto is quoted as saying it was over money.
        Espn interview 5/10/12. Google it.

        With regards to Sergio Martinez.
        He moved up to fight Kelly pavlik in April 2010. He never fought below middleweight again.
        Manny didn't fight margarito til November 2010. So how could he have fought Martinez???? Facts
        Martinez admitted himself he's much too big for manny.
        Sergio called out floyd plenty of times. All he got was silence.

        Floyd called out winky. Winky answered the call. Floyd wanted no part of it.

        On a side note, how do u do the quotes for different parts of a post?? Mine will be hard to read because your quotes aren't directly above my points

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        • #64
          Originally posted by aboutfkntime View Post
          if it did not require a significant amount of recovery/rehab, then it was not a torn rotator cuff

          I do not believe the 90min surgery story, Pac is suspected to have undergone a arthroscope... which is very common, relatively minor, and in some cases patients can... "never saw a doctor. I never did rehab"



          SPORTING CHANCE - Joaquin M. Henson (The Philippine Star ) - August 11, 2015 - 10:00am

          Manny’s miraculous recovery

          "It’s God’s work. I never saw a doctor. I never did rehab. All I did was to swim in the sea as often as I could. The salt water healed my wound."

          Pacquiao’s business manager Eric Pineda, who was also in Tokyo, called it a miraculous recovery. "Manny has strong faith," he said. "God did it. And all that swimming in the sea helped. Now, there’s talk of his comeback fight."



          that injury story is right up there with tinkerbell
          If you don't believe a word renowned surgeon who has worked with Tom Brady and kobe, I don't know what to tell you.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by harry-greb View Post
            OK your first point on Oscar.
            Oscar couldn't get the rematch with floyd (floyd retired rather than make a career high payday over a guy he already beat!!!!)
            So Oscar went for the next most lucrative fight which was pacquiao who had just moved up to lightweight. There was always 4 or 5 weight divisions between them.
            So Oscar had to come down to 47 and manny had to move up 2 divisions. When the superstar and moneyman of the sport calls u out, and gives u a chance to break out into the sporting landscape and become a household name do you expect him to turn it down. Its not as if manny was a welterweight and waited out Oscar. Come on now. Be objective. And he was the underdog in the fight!!!

            Why do you think they put the 10 million penalty for floyd? Could it have anything to do with floyd stiffing marquez at the weigh in?? Hmmmm

            Max is a boxing historian. He has a vast knowledge of the history and traditions of the sport.

            The reason he didn't fight ortiz and guerrero is because they were with pbc. This was the height of the top rank vs pbc feud. Do u honestly think he would duck those two.???LMAO

            Pacquiao did Not fight Hatton, cotto, or margarito at the lowest points in their career. Nonsense
            He fought Hatton at his best weight 18 months after floyd.
            The lowest point in hattons career would have been 4 months after floyd beat him.

            He fought cotto after cotto beat Joshua clottey (one of the best welters at the time)
            The lowest point in cottos career would have been directly after the margarito fight.

            He fought margarito 22 months after the defeat to Shane. Not the lowest point in his career.

            I will concede that Oscar was done but he was still the underdog in that fight and the bookies rarely get it wrong.
            Yes I recall roach not wanting mosley. Fair enough. Still wasn't the lowest point in his career but I get your point.

            Stop with the weight affected rubbish. Pacquiao had to take the Oscar fight for to become a superstar. Oscar challenged pacquiao. Pac moved up 2 divisions after 1 fight at lightweight. Just stop.
            Just like u said the catchweight benifitted marquez against floyd, the 144 catchweights benifitted the opponents. Pacquiao could have dragged them up to 147 but he didn't. And anyway, he was the same Suze or smaller tha all those guys. Made no difference to the result.
            You're reaching there

            Manny vs marquez 3
            Oh the delicious irony.!!!
            Marquez had fought above lightweight before. Guess who dragged him up 2 divisions??????
            That's right, your boy floyd joy.
            2 years before he fought manny.
            Your blowing it son
            #floydweight
            #stiffedhimattheweight

            Stop with the hyperbole. Marquez kod manny, he didn't "nearly kill him".
            It's funny how floyd was all over fighting Manny after that happened.
            Talk about fighting opponents when they were at their lowest. Floyd didn't dare tackle manny in 2010.

            Yes floyd beat Manny but he fought scared. Scared of a lightweight. His own Daddy said it. On his biggest night, he picked and poked a decision. #greatnessnot

            Who ko'd morales twice?
            Beat barrera twice
            Beat Marquez 3 times (judges messed up the first fight)
            Tim Bradley 3 times. And on and on

            Canelo was as green as grass when floyd got him and marquez was dragged up from lightweight.
            #greatness

            Regarding the cotto rematch I don't know what to tell you. If you choose to believe Bob arum over Miguel cotto then that's on you. Cotto is quoted as saying it was over money.
            Espn interview 5/10/12. Google it.

            With regards to Sergio Martinez.
            He moved up to fight Kelly pavlik in April 2010. He never fought below middleweight again.
            Manny didn't fight margarito til November 2010. So how could he have fought Martinez???? Facts
            Martinez admitted himself he's much too big for manny.
            Sergio called out floyd plenty of times. All he got was silence.

            Floyd called out winky. Winky answered the call. Floyd wanted no part of it.

            On a side note, how do u do the quotes for different parts of a post?? Mine will be hard to read because your quotes aren't directly above my points




            nobody insisted that Hoya was Pac's fault... simply because, the fault is not the issue...

            FACT: that was a weight-affected fight... because Hoya weighed 145 lol

            the fight was definitely affected by weight

            the fact that Oscar killed himself because of the UNPRECEDENTED weight-penalty... need not be mentioned, but cannot be entirely forgotten

            FACT: Hoya Hatton Cotto Margarito Mosley... were all at the lowest point in their career, nobody can argue against that... there had never been a worse version of those fighters at that point

            the following factors ALL favor Mayweather...

            1) caliber of win... Pacquiao simply does not have a better win than the top 3 wins on Mayweathers record... not even close

            2) body of work... Mayweather faced about 20 current/former world champs CONSECUTIVELY... nobody faced more champs than Mayweather

            3) losses... Mayweather retired undefeated, Pacquiao suffered highlight-reel knockouts

            4) levels/opponents... Mayweather was able to distance himself from an opponent much better than Pac, mostly because of his style/skillset... Pac went life-n-death with his best wins

            I don't even think it's close man

            Pac is great, but Mayweather is clearly greater

            and the fans who think Mayweather is the GOAT are fkn ret4rded... so no way is Manny the GOAT lol, because we know Floyd ranks higher

            like I have been saying for a looooong time, and nothing has changed... because it takes a LOT to change the landscape up there at that level... Mayweather is top 15'ish, maybe a little higher... Pacquiao is top 25'ish, maybe a little higher

            that is no slight on either of those great fighters... Pacquiao fans simply cannot have that, and cannot keep it real
            Last edited by aboutfkntime; 05-06-2020, 02:14 AM.

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            • #66
              torn rotator cuff...

              Originally posted by harry-greb View Post
              If you don't believe a word renowned surgeon who has worked with Tom Brady and kobe, I don't know what to tell you.



              you can believe whoever you want bro, but this...

              "It’s God’s work. I never saw a doctor. I never did rehab. All I did was to swim in the sea as often as I could. The salt water healed my wound."

              ... is utter bullshlt

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              • #67
                Originally posted by aboutfkntime View Post
                you can believe whoever you want bro, but this...

                "It’s God’s work. I never saw a doctor. I never did rehab. All I did was to swim in the sea as often as I could. The salt water healed my wound."

                ... is utter bullshlt
                Now you're just being dishonest.
                The above quote is him talking about rehab, post surgery.

                What you're doing there, is taking that quote and making it look like he's saying he never had surgery on his shoulder which is incorrect.

                That quote is in a bleacher report article 21 August 2015. Inconveniently for you, the article also says that pacquiao is recovering from shoulder surgery he underwent in Los Angeles performed by, yes you guessed it, Dr Neal Attrache.

                Be factual. Don't just take a snippet of an article, because I will check it

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by harry-greb View Post
                  Now you're just being dishonest.
                  The above quote is him talking about rehab, post surgery.

                  What you're doing there, is taking that quote and making it look like he's saying he never had surgery on his shoulder which is incorrect.

                  That quote is in a bleacher report article 21 August 2015. Inconveniently for you, the article also says that pacquiao is recovering from shoulder surgery he underwent in Los Angeles performed by, yes you guessed it, Dr Neal Attrache.

                  Be factual. Don't just take a snippet of an article, because I will check it



                  I am gonna simply file that Pac-bullshlt, with all the other Pac-bullshlt we have heard over the years

                  I do not believe that Pacquiao had a torn rotator cuff

                  full surgery... forget it, no way... only a fool would believe that Manny had no follow-up treatment whatsoever, and no rehab

                  impossible, that never happened... Pac is either lying about the surgery, or lying about his "miraculous" recovery

                  even arthroscopic surgery to repair a slight tear would at least require follow-up checks/treatment and months of physiotherapy/rehab

                  this is a fantasy story...

                  " It’s God’s work. I never saw a doctor. I never did rehab. All I did was to swim in the sea as often as I could. The salt water healed my wound. "

                  just like all those ridiculous excuses to avoid blood testing

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by aboutfkntime View Post
                    I am gonna simply file that Pac-bullshlt, with all the other Pac-bullshlt we have heard over the years

                    I do not believe that Pacquiao had a torn rotator cuff

                    full surgery... forget it, no way... only a fool would believe that Manny had no follow-up treatment whatsoever, and no rehab

                    impossible, that never happened... Pac is either lying about the surgery, or lying about his "miraculous" recovery

                    even arthroscopic surgery to repair a slight tear would at least require follow-up checks/treatment and months of physiotherapy/rehab

                    this is a fantasy story...

                    " It’s God’s work. I never saw a doctor. I never did rehab. All I did was to swim in the sea as often as I could. The salt water healed my wound. "

                    just like all those ridiculous excuses to avoid blood testing
                    I do not believe that Pacquiao had a torn rotator cuff
                    That's your argument in a nutshell. A world renowned surgeon, who's worked on some of the most famous athletes in the world, says he performed a 90 minute surgery to repair a significant tear in pacquiao's
                    shoulder and you "DO NOT BELIEVE IT"
                    you and Kelly-Anne Conway believe alternative facts 😂

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by harry-greb View Post
                      I do not believe that Pacquiao had a torn rotator cuff
                      That's your argument in a nutshell. A world renowned surgeon, who's worked on some of the most famous athletes in the world, says he performed a 90 minute surgery to repair a significant tear in pacquiao's
                      shoulder and you "DO NOT BELIEVE IT"
                      you and Kelly-Anne Conway believe alternative facts ��




                      only a fool would believe that following surgery... Manny had no follow-up treatment whatsoever, and did no physio/rehab

                      that is impossible, it never happened... Pac is either lying about the surgery, or he is lying about his "miraculous" recovery... take your pick ^^

                      " It’s God’s work. I never saw a doctor. I never did rehab. All I did was to swim in the sea as often as I could. The salt water healed my wound. "

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