Originally posted by harry-greb
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no, it was a " weight-affected " fight
the point is the same...
old shrink-wrapped 145lb Hoya was at the lowest point in his career
Canelo came in 1 pound less than his previous fight
no comparison there
and the reason why I described that fight as... " weight-affected " ... is because of the unprecedented $3.5m per-pound (or part thereof) weight-penalty... which is why Oscar killed himself on the scales...
that unprecedented weight-penalty has since been eclipsed only once in boxing history... $10m per-pound (or part thereof) on Floyd Mayweather, also by Pacquiao
Team Pacquiao managed weight and timing masterfully
3. Plenty of historians (max kellerman for example) rate pac above floyd.
Please don't put the word historian with the words iole and Rafael. I'm laughing here. Those guys are a joke
Please don't put the word historian with the words iole and Rafael. I'm laughing here. Those guys are a joke
Max is not a historian... he is a HBO analyst
and nobody referred to Iole and Rafael as historians, I called them both 'raving pac-tards'
4. You're not seriously bringing up sparring are you??? Did you ever watch pacquiao sparring?? He's often joking around in there. Amir Khan gave him great sparring!!
You think Khan would beat pacquiao??? Haha
Manny would have flattened ortiz and guerrero with ease.
You think Khan would beat pacquiao??? Haha
Manny would have flattened ortiz and guerrero with ease.
the facts are... Pac got dished up, and he did not take either of those fights
Pac fought at welter for YEARS, but he did not face ANY of those hot #3's... right up to Maidana... and yet Floyd fought ALL of them
there is no real argument as to who fought the best competition
5. Show me evidence of when he refused to fight Oscar, Hatton, cotto or margarito........
He wasn't in their weight divisions so how could he refuse to fight them.?? Absolute nonsense.
He wasn't in their weight divisions so how could he refuse to fight them.?? Absolute nonsense.
Pac did not refuse to fight Oscar / Hatton / Cotto / Margarito
he fought them when they were at the very lowest point in their career
I said he refused to fight Cotto at 150... despite having already beaten Cotto, and despite already fighting Margarito at 150... that negotiation died over weight, because they needed Cotto to feel the pinch...
https://www.boxingscene.com/cotto-i-...acquiao--48928
6. Don't talk about #timing. Floyd was the most calculating of them all. #timing king
nope, you can clearly see... he fought all those #3's when they were hot, coming off a career-defining win... and he did that because he wanted the money/numbers... Pac fought Hoya Hatton Cotto Margarito and Mosley when they were at the lowest point in their career... Roach admitted that they refused to fight Mosley TWICE because... "you are too good, and there is not enough money"
7. You said manny had 8/9 consecutive weight affected fights
SHOW ME
SHOW ME
actually they are not consecutive, but there is more than 8
Hoya Hatton Cotto Margarito Marquez Rios Algieri... guys like Vargas Matthyse Broner were not really welters... Vargas may have been ready to move up but guys like him and Horn etc are not top tier
Hoya needed to weigh 150+ (min) to be regarded as healthy
145 killed him
Ricky Fatton blew up to 190 between fights... he killed himself to make weight and was much better at welter by that point
Cotto Margarito Marquez Rios Algieri were all catchweights
guys like Marquez Rios Algieri Vargas Matthyse Broner should have all happened at 140... Ariza/Roach admitted that Pac was a natural JWW at that point, and he needed 6 meals a day including 3am/6am shakes just to fight at 144 because he burned the weight off in camp... Marquez III was a setup, he had never fought above 135, and yet they dragged him up as high as possible... that fight should definitely have happened at 140
#mannyweight
#thecatchweightking
8. You say canelo weighed 153 for his previous fight before floyd and the weight made no difference.
What did cotto weigh in his fight before manny?????
He weighed 146!!!!!!! So if it made no difference for floyd, it should make no difference for manny. Fair is fair.
What did cotto weigh in his fight before manny?????
He weighed 146!!!!!!! So if it made no difference for floyd, it should make no difference for manny. Fair is fair.
fair point... although, Cotto moved up in weight immediately following that fight, which is always a clear indicator... Canelo stayed at JMW and he made 154 against Smith 3 years later
9. Yes marquez gave manny serious problems. So what. It's happened throughout history he still had the balls to fight him 4 times even though he was a nightmare to fight.
that was not the point
Mayweather SCHOOLED guys that either.. would have, or nearly did... kill Pacquiao
and Mayweather easily beat Pacquiao
Mayweather easily beat 3 opponents, who are better than anyone on Pac's resume... and the best guys on Pacs resume, either beat him (Morales) or nearly killed him (Marquez)
the fact that Manny could never distance himself from Marquez is telling
10. Pacquiao did not refuse cotto at 150. I just read quotes from cotto to Dan Rafael that it was money that was the obstacle. I can link u the article.
Who knows if manny would have beaten canelo. All I know is fighters with awkward style and footspeed caused canelo problems.
Stop with the ortiz thing. Start a thread on here with a poll, pac vs ortiz. Go on. I dare ya!!!
Who knows if manny would have beaten canelo. All I know is fighters with awkward style and footspeed caused canelo problems.
Stop with the ortiz thing. Start a thread on here with a poll, pac vs ortiz. Go on. I dare ya!!!
nope, it was the weight... I already proved that above
Bob Arum stated that Cotto was their first-choice opponent, he wanted that fight... but Pac refused to fight over weight so the negotiation died in a hole
https://www.boxingscene.com/cotto-i-...acquiao--48928
11. I did mention Martinez but u didn't respond. He constantly called out floyd at 54 but all he got was crickets.
You expected little manny to fight Martinez???? Ridiculous
You want to talk about avoiding fighters. How about floyd calling out winky, and winky answered the call, a contract was drawn up. But listen to this Mr mannyweight. Floyd demanded it at 154.the weigh in be on the day of the fight, winky could not put on more than 8 pounds. Winky called his bluff. Gary Shaw was at top rank offices to sign the contract and FLOYD PULLED OUT.
You expected little manny to fight Martinez???? Ridiculous
You want to talk about avoiding fighters. How about floyd calling out winky, and winky answered the call, a contract was drawn up. But listen to this Mr mannyweight. Floyd demanded it at 154.the weigh in be on the day of the fight, winky could not put on more than 8 pounds. Winky called his bluff. Gary Shaw was at top rank offices to sign the contract and FLOYD PULLED OUT.
they fight in the same division, and Pac fought Stinkarito at 150 lol... so why did you just give "little" Manny a free pass?

12. And barrera marquez and morales ARE better than a young green catchweight canelo, a small fat catchweight marquez and a 2015 version of a lightweight pacquiao with an injured shoulder
Oh and here's the kicker- Floyd's own father in between rounds was telling him he's fighting scared. Haha hahaha, his own father telling him he's fighting scared against a lightweight pacquiao.
Oh and here's the kicker- Floyd's own father in between rounds was telling him he's fighting scared. Haha hahaha, his own father telling him he's fighting scared against a lightweight pacquiao.
I am not convinced that is true at all, Canelo has already eclipsed both... he will go down in history as a MUCH better fighter than my boy Morales
Manny Pacquiao can take a punch, but a segment of his fans have a glass jaw.
Pacquiao's backers took to social media to blast in-ring interviewer Max Kellerman for questioning Pacquiao — aka, doing his job — after the Filipino fighter said he thought he won Saturday's fight against Floyd Mayweather.
"You thought you won the fight," an incredulous Kellerman asked after Mayweather won in a unanimous decision, 118-110, 116-112, 116-112. "Why?"
When Pacquiao said Mayweather "didn't do nothing," Kellerman continued, "But he had to be hitting you with something because you weren't attacking him with the same kind of ferocity that we sometimes see you attack. Was he not doing something to keep you off?"
Pacquiao's backers took to social media to blast in-ring interviewer Max Kellerman for questioning Pacquiao — aka, doing his job — after the Filipino fighter said he thought he won Saturday's fight against Floyd Mayweather.
"You thought you won the fight," an incredulous Kellerman asked after Mayweather won in a unanimous decision, 118-110, 116-112, 116-112. "Why?"
When Pacquiao said Mayweather "didn't do nothing," Kellerman continued, "But he had to be hitting you with something because you weren't attacking him with the same kind of ferocity that we sometimes see you attack. Was he not doing something to keep you off?"
and no, Pacquiao did not pull the phantom injury excuse... that was Bob Arum much later at the press conference
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