Does Canelo get a pass like Ward bringing down a Lineal LHW to 168?

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  • Shadoww702
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    #11
    Originally posted by Uncle Al..varez
    Chad Dawson said he wanted to fight the best so he went to Ward at the 168LB limit.

    However, what if Canelo says 172lb? Is that better than 168?

    Or, what if Canelo says 175lb, but wants at least an IBF style 10lb morning rule. Does he credit for any of these scenarios

    OR...

    Is Beterbiev “old” at 35 the way GGG was in 2017?
    Biev is old doe!

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      #12
      Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT
      Leonard did the same to Lallonde.

      Beterbiev would need to cut an arm off to make 168.

      Bivol says he could make 168 though.
      That was a real BS deal to give diva cash cow bigshot Leonard a chance to win not only the 168 pound title but the 175 pound title as well even thought the limit was 168. How in the fuc do you win a title at 175 when your opponent can't weigh more than 168. They changed the rules just for Leonard and I never gave him credit for being a light heavyweight champ. hearns did things the right way and twice won a title at light heavyweight with the weight limit being a proper correct 175 pounds. I believe all world title fights should be fought at the standard weight limit and not a pound less. if no world title is at stake then anything both fighters agree to is fine with me.

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      • boliodogs
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        #13
        shove you rigged poll up your ass. Why is it you can't vote no without saying I love GGG???????

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        • Thuglife Nelo
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          #14
          Originally posted by MulaKO
          Ok cool
          So what’s Canelo waiting for
          Hmmmmm , care to explain lol
          you're saying the current state of worldwide sports or that Matchroom fighters not agreeing to deals with another Matchroom fighter, GGG, aren't causing problems for the GBP portfolio?

          At this RATE, I PRAY that ESPN tells Arum that some pivotal changes will happen, making Top Rank possibly go out on its shield and provide a scenario for DAZN. Which would mean, another GBP vs TR/Main Events like the Kovalev bout. Arum is old. Beterbiev's fight was postponed. Top Rank and GBP gain more making better fights. Seeing how Fury pulled it off for ESPN+, why not approve a Canelo fight with Beterbiev.

          THe question is... since Ward didn't obtain Lineal at LHW with Stevenson and unify with Beterbiev as well having a LHW in Dawson come to him at 168, then does Canelo get a pass for anything 168-175lb to make the fight?

          A lot of you fans are confused with calibration. If Beterbiev chooses to fight at 175, it means he has to calibrate his muscle mass plus DRAINING to compete at LHW. That doesn't mean he can't fight lower. Simple dieting makes him fight below 175.

          I want Canelo to fight Beterbiev at the full 175.

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            #15
            Originally posted by boliodogs
            That was a real BS deal to give diva cash cow bigshot Leonard a chance to win not only the 168 pound title but the 175 pound title as well even thought the limit was 168. How in the fuc do you win a title at 175 when your opponent can't weigh more than 168.
            So do you now understand the concept of catchweights? Lalonde was always a bigger guy than Leonard. Is Pacquiao a Welterweight or Light Welterweght? Anyway you view it, it's 7lb... like 175 to 168, so what's the problem with SRL vs Lalonde?

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              #16
              Originally posted by Uncle Al..varez
              you're saying the current state of worldwide sports or that Matchroom fighters not agreeing to deals with another Matchroom fighter, GGG, aren't causing problems for the GBP portfolio?

              At this RATE, I PRAY that ESPN tells Arum that some pivotal changes will happen, making Top Rank possibly go out on its shield and provide a scenario for DAZN. Which would mean, another GBP vs TR/Main Events like the Kovalev bout. Arum is old. Beterbiev's fight was postponed. Top Rank and GBP gain more making better fights. Seeing how Fury pulled it off for ESPN+, why not approve a Canelo fight with Beterbiev.

              THe question is... since Ward didn't obtain Lineal at LHW with Stevenson and unify with Beterbiev as well having a LHW in Dawson come to him at 168, then does Canelo get a pass for anything 168-175lb to make the fight?

              A lot of you fans are confused with calibration. If Beterbiev chooses to fight at 175, it means he has to calibrate his muscle mass plus DRAINING to compete at LHW. That doesn't mean he can't fight lower. Simple dieting makes him fight below 175.

              I want Canelo to fight Beterbiev at the full 175.


              You want Canelo to fight at full 175 , right ?
              So why didn’t he when he had the WBO belt
              You wrote a whole chapter to once again swing right back to the question ; what’s the hold-up
              Why didn’t he when he had a belt

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                #17
                Originally posted by TonyGe
                Yeah how could Ray walk around with a straight face and claim to be a true 175 pound champion. It was a very entertaining fight and I enjoyed but come on....
                Yeah it was BS... just typical A side tactics. I’m a huge Ray fan but he always played the game.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Uncle Al..varez
                  Chad Dawson said he wanted to fight the best so he went to Ward at the 168LB limit.

                  However, what if Canelo says 172lb? Is that better than 168?

                  Or, what if Canelo says 175lb, but wants at least an IBF style 10lb morning rule. Does he credit for any of these scenarios

                  OR...

                  Is Beterbiev “old” at 35 the way GGG was in 2017?
                  I don't like Ward but he did nothing wrong and just defended his title at the correct 168 pounds. If Dawson was drained he has only himself to blame as he should know his body and what weight he can make and be right in the ring. Dawson called out Ward, not the other way around so Ward did not drag him anywhere. Canelo never did either of those things you said so why start another one of your hundreds of useless threads about Canelo? Damn rights 35 is very old for any pro boxer. It always has been and always will be. You hero Canelo will retire years before he is 35 and if he doesn't he won't fight nearly as well at 35 as he fights now at 29.

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                  • RJJ-94-02=GOAT
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by boliodogs
                    I don't like Ward but he did nothing wrong and just defended his title at the correct 168 pounds. If Dawson was drained he has only himself to blame as he should know his body and what weight he can make and be right in the ring. Dawson called out Ward, not the other way around so Ward did not drag him anywhere. Canelo never did either of those things you said so why start another one of your hundreds of useless threads about Canelo? Damn rights 35 is very old for any pro boxer. It always has been and always will be. You hero Canelo will retire years before he is 35 and if he doesn't he won't fight nearly as well at 35 as he fights now at 29.
                    Wasn’t it Dawson who wanted to move down to 168 too. That was literally career suicide, he’s never been the same fighter...

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                    • Thuglife Nelo
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by MulaKO
                      You want Canelo to fight at full 175 , right ?
                      So why didn’t he when he had the WBO belt
                      You wrote a whole chapter to once again swing right back to the question ; what’s the hold-up
                      Why didn’t he when he had a belt
                      that's easy to answer!

                      1.) Boxing is a business.
                      2.) GBP vs Matchroom on DAZN
                      3.) Don't assume ESPN+ is just going to continually fork over fighters on a different network when they already did.
                      4.) Beterbiev was ASKED in the post ring after beating Gvozdyk, ''would you be interested in Canelo should he beat Kovalev.''
                      5.) Beterbiev didn't say ''YES'' he said, ''it doesn't matter to me.'' Which means, why didn't he?! Or, why hasn't Beterbiev called out Bivol? Is it because Bivol is on DAZN? Which means again, proves my point with points 2-3.

                      Therefore, you can't ask such rhetorical questions when Beterbiev didn't acknowledge the narrative to begin with.

                      Canelo is in yo-yo weights yet every other fighter is insecure or cliché to stay at one class? It's almost as if weight class restriction seems amateur in adversity standards

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