A Deep look into Mayweather, Pacquiao, Canelo and GGG's Risk History

[Citizen Koba]

you are still doing that man

Golovkin was not too " poor " to take those fights lol

No. I try to treat all fighters by the standards I apply to my favourites. Only way.

I will never crticise any fighter for choosing to take the biggest money fight available to him - or apparently available to him - at any given time. these dudes could get injured tomorrow, never fight again, anything could happen.

[Citizen Koba]

as usual, I like to be critical of your posts

probably because... it is usually pretty easy

I like this post better, it is closer to the truth... but you are still making excuses









pretty much...

but you did not address the fact that they blatantly lied to their fans for YEARS

Golovkin: Would Fight Ward at 168 and Canelo at 154

http://thaboxingvoice.com/golovkin-aims-high-and-low-would-fight-ward-at-168-and-canelo-at-154/

and nope, no excuse required... because Golovkin also offered to fight at 154 in 2016, which is AFTER he totally refused to negotiate on weight with Cotto and Canelo...

also... offering to fight Rosado at 158, and demanding 164/166 for Ward/Froch... rules out the "aversion to catchweights" excuse

the following fact, is a honest/accurate description of the information above

FACT: they could have taken those fights, but they CHOSE not to

then you realize, the unification with Saunders falls into the exact same category

FACT: they could have taken that fight, but they CHOSE not to

they said that fighting Charlo for the WBC made " no sense at all "

same with Andrade

and yet for some reason... fighting Derevyanchenko - who was coming off a loss - for the vacant IBF made "perfect" sense

same result...

FACT: they could have taken those fights, but they CHOSE not to

Lara... needed to " prove himself " at middleweight

Rosado/Brook did not need to... " prove themselves "... at middleweight

FACT: they could have taken that fight, but they CHOSE not to

look there is more, but I will leave it... the bottom line is clear...

FACT: they could have simply taken those fights, but they CHOSE not to

that is nooooo coincidence man... you are tripping if you think that is a coincidence... and you are tripping if you think that a bunch of silly excuses... SILLY EXCUSES THAT COULD - AND HAVE BEEN - SIMPLY IGNORED BY MANY OTHER FIGHTERS ... change the fact below...

FACT: they could have simply taken those fights, because MANY other fighters did... but, they CHOSE not to







here is where you drop your standards

FACT: you did not need to make that pile of silly excuses... we already established that Golovkin could have taken those fights, but he CHOSE not to

FACT: plenty of fighters were in the SAME situation as Golovkin... and it did not prevent them from reaching for greatness

you literally just stated that Golovkin avoided challenges because he was too poor

plenty of guys used boxing to fight their way out of poverty

FACT: plenty of poor fighters fought Lara, Charlo, Andrade, Saunders, Ward, etc

that is a shocking... UNNECESSARY... excuse

FACT: you did not need to make that silly... UNNECESSARY... excuse







not really... HBO hype all of their fighters, no problem

1) they lied to the fans for YEARS, and refused to live up to their own hype... as proven above

2) the aggressive criticism of other fighters by some of his fans

3) fighters who they avoided... THEY threw under a bus lol... running around telling stories about ducking... at least 4 fighters called them out for that... Ward walked up to Loeffler at the Mayweather/Pacquiao fight and told him to stop lying to the fans

that is not a... " particularly fault worthy of different from other fighters "... like you said above... Canelo for example, is cut from a completely different cloth... PLENTY of other fighters throughout history took fights that Golovkin avoided without making a bunch of silly excuses that could simply be ignored

#2... is a 100% pacfan trait

NO conspiracy theory... NO bias... they are the same people... as-in, they have the exact same usernames, and they write for the exact same shltty websites lol

I found a article mentioning the exact same phenomenon back in 2016... I will post it below...

props for your observations about Martinez... he was in the exact same position that Golovkin is in now... Charlo/Andrade trying to push their way in front of Golovkin's money-fight with Canelo... like Golovkin was trying to push his way in front of Martinez money-fight with Cotto

to summarize...

you guys need to keep it real

FACT: they could have simply taken those fights, but they CHOSE not to

their selection policy was... low-risk/low-reward ONLY... until we cash out with Canelo...

he chose his path... Golovkin is 100% responsible/accountable for his resume... just like every other fighter EVER

FACT: if Golovkin was good enough to win those fights... (excluding Ward, they should not have taken that fight... but they have should kept their mouth shut)... IF Golovkin was good enough to win those fights, then he made a mistake by not taking them

You know full well I could quite literally go through every single fight and example you've given there and offer plausible alternative explanations and reasons why they might not have happened. Course I can't absolutely prove it either way, but then neither can you... not unless you know what HBOs budget was at any given time or what decisions were being made about working with fighters from other promotions... with SHO or with Al.

What we can say is that whilst Golovkin's career may not have lived up to what was possible (unless you really don't think he was very good as fighter H2H) he still accomplished a great deal more than the vast majority and, if you do in fact think he was little more than average, actually did incredibly well for himself.

But I ain't going to go there. I've talked this one to death. To me it seems that GGG gets vastly more criticism than he deserves and in fact hugely more than many, many dudes who accomplished far, far less... would he have got the same criticism if he wasn't perceived as being as good I wonder?

But I get it, a guy gets bigged up, his fans tread on other folks toes, that's what's gonna happen.

[aboutfkntime]

No. I try to treat all fighters by the standards I apply to my favourites. Only way.

I will never crticise any fighter for choosing to take the biggest money fight available to him - or apparently available to him - at any given time. these dudes could get injured tomorrow, never fight again, anything could happen.

no... but you will make silly excuses insinuating that Golovkin is not 100% responsible - which means accountable - for his own decisions

look...

maybe signed with a US promoter out of the gate instead of losing half his career to Universum he might have achieved a great deal more.

that rubbish did not force Golovkin to refuse fights with a list of opponents who are ALL better than the scrubs on his resume... the fights were there, Golovkin did not take them... he totally refused to lift his finger to make those fights, even with superstars

totally refusing to negotiate on weight with little 153lb Cotto was ABSURD... he would have landed that fight at 157/158, same as they offered Rosado... that had nothing to do with the promoter, and nor did any of those other big fights

Fact that most of the world saw him beat the current P4P #1 at a past prime age suggests that he was real good

I guess the biggest shame for me was simply that we never got to see how good he might have been when it he was at his best.

FACT: you continually give Golovkin a free-pass, because you like him

that is not necessarily a crime... but it is, what it is

I like Canelo... but I don't give a fcuk if Benavidez knocks his red block off... I just wanna see that fight

it is easy to support Canelo because he will make that fight, with NO silly excuses... FACT: if Benavidez unifies with Plant/Saunders/Smith, that fight will definitely happen... the guy who unifies will win the Canelo sweepstake

that fight is Benavidez to lose, by poor opponent selection and mediocrity... like Charlo/Andrade/Golovkin

[aboutfkntime]

You know full well I could quite literally go through every single fight and example you've given there and offer plausible alternative explanations and reasons why they might not have happened. Course I can't absolutely prove it either way, but then neither can you... not unless you know what HBOs budget was at any given time or what decisions were being made about working with fighters from other promotions... with SHO or with Al.

What we can say is that whilst Golovkin's career may not have lived up to what was possible (unless you really don't think he was very good as fighter H2H) he still accomplished a great deal more than the vast majority and, if you do in fact think he was little more than average, actually did incredibly well for himself.

But I ain't going to go there. I've talked this one to death. To me it seems that GGG gets vastly more criticism than he deserves and in fact hugely more than many, many dudes who accomplished far, far less... would he have got the same criticism if he wasn't perceived as being as good I wonder?

But I get it, a guy gets bigged up, his fans tread on other folks toes, that's what's gonna happen.

you could not... you dribbly fanboy

you could provide a pathetic list of silly excuses... SILLY EXCUSES THAT COULD - AND HAVE BEEN - SIMPLY IGNORED BY MANY OTHER FIGHTERS.. proving you wrong!

you are a Captain-Save-A-Hoe for life



FACT: they could have simply taken those fights, because MANY other fighters did... but, they CHOSE not to

[aboutfkntime]

Golovkin's career regrets/misses...

only one

Murata

I don't think Golovkin would change a thing, they got exactly what they wanted

Murata was a obvious low-risk/medium-reward opponent that they missed

which is a level above the usual low-risk/low-reward fights that they focused on... and they likely only missed that fight because he lost to Brant, it could still happen yet

other than that... I do not believe Golovkin would change a thing

[boxinggod101]

Why not? Pac moves down a weight class, Lomafako moves up a weight class.

Sounds a lot more reasonable than when Lomafako dragged Rigondeaux up TWO weight classes...

Manny even said he would go to 135. So.maybe they could have agreed to a 138 139 CW. But Loma (that I like as a fighter) used the he's too old excuse. For me, it was a clear duck. Manny would have f#cked him up.

[Chollo Vista]

Manny even said he would go to 135. So.maybe they could have agreed to a 138 139 CW. But Loma (that I like as a fighter) used the he's too old excuse. For me, it was a clear duck. Manny would have f#cked him up.

I would definitely be leaning on Manny to win as well.

Either way, it's two Ph.D's against each other at an agreed weight.

Beats me why fans never pushed for this

[Roadblock]

Manny even said he would go to 135. So.maybe they could have agreed to a 138 139 CW. But Loma (that I like as a fighter) used the he's too old excuse. For me, it was a clear duck. Manny would have f#cked him up.

Manny is not going to 135, thats just posturing.

Manny is not so little and he is not so young, he would probably struggle at 140 today, 135 is just BS talk.

[boxinggod101]

Manny is not going to 135, thats just posturing.

Manny is not so little and he is not so young, he would probably struggle at 140 today, 135 is just BS talk.

Manny would make 140 just fine. Stop it. 135... I agree. But your reaching with 140.

So what did you think about the hes too old excuse?

[boxinggod101]

I would definitely be leaning on Manny to win as well.

Either way, it's two Ph.D's against each other at an agreed weight.

Beats me why fans never pushed for this

The hes too old excuse was bs... I mean... who doesnt want to have a Manny Pacquiao on their resume? Im not taking a 50 years old Manny. He can still compete at the highest level even though he is young. I respect Loma as a fighter, but I think hes a little bit full of himself.

His resume doesnt have a Pacquiao, even a 40+ years old. Look at all the top WW today, they all want that name on their resume which is normal.

That excuse made Loma look bad a little to be honest.

And what do you think.. Manny can make 140 just fine? Hell yeah he can.