Comments Thread For: Roy Jones: Fury is Not All-Time Great, Wilder's Record is Lacking

[champion4ever]

Im not calling him an ATG yet. He beat Wlad, but didnt give him the rematch and then banned for 2 years for taking steroids. The end of the ban miraculously coincided with his recovery from drug abuse and mental heath problems... Be like Ruiz beating Joshua, then not giving the rematch. Gotta run that back, make sure it wasn't a fluke. Still Wlad is a good win.

Then he beats a massively overrated Wilder. who is still good, but has limited boxing fundementals and a thin resume.

Fury has to do more. Can't pad his resume with Wallins and Seferi's when theres decent level contenders waiting to take his 0.

I agree. Well said and nice post!

[Gamboal00]

We're going off topic a bit but Bruno is severely underrated.

Only lost at the Championship level against some decent fighters, including a couple of ATGs. Outside of the 3 losses to Lewis and Tyson he did well in the other fights and got done late.

Won his title from a guy who would rank above Stiverne in anyone's list.

38 knockouts in 40 wins. He wasn't the soft touch he got portrayed as.

I agree. I was looking over his record again a few weeks back and some of his fights. He was a tremendous puncher and physical specimen and unlike Wilder, he married his power with some boxing fundamentals.

[mick1303]

The keyword is "nearly". Most observers thought Fury won the fight in spite of the kds.

First fight with Ortiz was another example of blatant favoritism from a ref. Wilder was given extra time to recover. At the same time he hit Ortiz after the bell and it was swept under the rug.

[SplitSecond]

Roy said he's an ATG fighter but he doesn't have an ATG record yet. Which seems to be true.

Klitschko, Wilder. It's too short a list.

[Realizniguhnit]

RJJ has always been a hater, he hated on Floyd now he's hating on Fury... and WTF was so great on Tyson's resume? He had a paded record his dam self they acting like he fought murderer's row or some chit...FOH

[Nash out]

Dont be r$tarded. Even Frank Bruno, who Mike Tyson beat twice, is better than all the boxers on Fury's resume bar WK and possibly Wilder.

Fury's last 5-6 fights includes walking punchbags like Pianeta, Seferi, Schwarz, Wallin, (Wilder, lol).

I mean he put on a terrific performance Satdy night but lets not lose all sense of reality and get swept up in the hyperbole.

Fury has beat Wlad and Wilder, both of whom are better than anyone Tyson beat. Wilder because of his power threat, because Fury can nullify it doesn't mean others can, and Wlad was 10 year unbeaten an an ATG. Of course there is a lot of filler in Fury's record, but same goes for Lennox Lewis. If Fury beats Wilder again, Joshua once or twice and a couple more, his resume will be as good as any HW ever. And he is capable of doing this.

[BillyBoxing]

Not really, Wlad was an almost over the hill fighter due to his age alone. He was 39 or 40 when Fury fought him while Fury was in his late 20s. And nobody is in their physical prime at 39, 40 and I'm pretty sure everyone acknowledged that fact before the fight. 2nd plenty of people called Wilder an unproven fraud who never fought anyone before the Fury loss. The absolute only reason anyone picked Wilder to win was because of their belief in his exaggerated power to negate his terrible boxing skills. I mean even Gerald Washington was schooling Wilder before his so called ko and he damn near didn't land a single punch on Luis Ortiz the entire fight in part II until his so called ko. Furthermore, few people were calling AJ an unproven fraud when he lost to Ruiz because he actually proved himself against elite to near elite competition, so it is not the case that everyone is just called a fraud who never did anything when they lose. Currently AJ's resume is still much better than Fury's so if we're going by resume alone and a sensational win against Wilder, who's a terrible boxer, it's simply not enough by itself to call Fury an ATG. That being said, i believe he is one in terms of skill based on the eye test.

That's what yall said afterwards.

Still Fury was not supposed to win both times, with yall it's head I win, tails you lose.

Still, old or not Wlad was the lineal champ and holding 3 belts, undefeated in 11 years, and Wilder was on a 10 defenses WBC winning streak, undefeated.

Wlad is an olympic gold medalist and Wilder a bronze medalist.

I never bought that Wilder "GOAT puncher" of all time, but he probably is one of the best puncher in the HW division since Shavers, the best since Tyson, hands down.

Fury is the only man to fully win the HW championship lineal title twice with Ali.

That is where Fury belongs prize wise.

Who ever Fury does beat, he won't get credit from detractors,
once he beat Joshua, it will be Josh lost to a fat man.

Yet Holyfield spared with him, Ruiz, and said he was a straight beast.

Yet yall will focus on negative aspects because that is what your agenda expect to be.

Wilder and Wlad always were beatable champions, but Fury beat them hands down Wlad 12 rounds to 0 and Wilder by TKO beating him up from the beginning.

He didn't beat both by SD Canelo style (Lara, GGG).

What Fury did is impressive and ATG material.

Give the man his credit, he's a first ballot HOFamer and I think he should be seen without any debate an ATG if he beats AJ.

[removed]

Fury has beat Wlad and Wilder, both of whom are better than anyone Tyson beat. Wilder because of his power threat, because Fury can nullify it doesn't mean others can, and Wlad was 10 year unbeaten an an ATG. Of course there is a lot of filler in Fury's record, but same goes for Lennox Lewis. If Fury beats Wilder again, Joshua once or twice and a couple more, his resume will be as good as any HW ever. And he is capable of doing this.

Wlad was a 12yr unbeaten long reigning champion, Wilder was a 5yr unbeaten long reigning champion.

Fury dominated both of them in their backyards.

That's some ATG s*** right there.

[markther]

Roy is 1000% correct. Plain and simple, if Fury beats Joshua once and possibly twice in a rematch, beats Whyte, and Wilder again, no doubt an All time great. But you can’t put him there “right now” after only 2 good wins. And only 1 of those wins is a bonafide Hall of Famer, Wladimir. Will Wilder or Joshua or Whyte even make it to the Hall of Fame, that has yet to be determined. They still have plenty of fights remaining to determine that. But guys like Lennox, Holyfield, Holmes, Ali, Foreman, Frazier, etc; all fought HALL OF FAME fighters PERIOD.

[nacho daddy]

I have Klitschko as the Best Heavyweight Of All Time....held The Heavyweight Division In a stranglehold for a decade....I was very upset when Fury defeated Klitschko.....I was happy for Boxing when Fury destroyed deontayduckus wilderquackus.....deontayduckus almost became a body if that white towel hadn't stop the fight

in a million years you will never see domination of HW's like what the Klit bros did. they destroyed generations of fighters and if one lost they slaughtered them in the rematch. NO fighter was the same after they fought them and Vitale "losing" to lewis made him retire