Comments Thread For: Roy Jones: Fury is Not All-Time Great, Wilder's Record is Lacking

[CubanGuyNYC]

So ironic. I remember how Roy would get torched during his career for “not fighting anyone of note.” He even fought a gimmick bout (not counting the Ruiz match) versus an NYPD officer named Richard Frazier. But in my mind, there really wasn’t anyone that could beat Roy back then. He fought who was available. Yet Jones is unquestionably an ATG. Although he’s right about Wilder, it sounds funny coming from him. The fact is, Deontay may not have a real “name” on his record, but he KOed virtually every last man he fought. That’s something almost no other fighter in the history of boxing can say. That has to mean something. Fury himself very nearly became another Wilder statistic. And while I don’t believe a victory over Wilder makes for an ATG resume, I do believe it’s a nice feather — especially when Fury rose from the dead in their first encounter, after eating a bomb from one of the hardest punchers of all time.

[CubanGuyNYC]

How can any sane person claim that 5ft11 Roy would have a chance at beating 6ft9 Tyson Fury? I really don't get it...

Tyson Fury isn't Valuev ffs, he's quick and agile. I doubt Roy would land a single punch to Fury's head.

Not with Tyson’s reflexes. Height isn’t everything, but when you combine it with speed, mobility, skill, etc., it’s an undeniable asset. I love watching Fury slip and duck under punches. It’s freakish. No big man in the annals of boxing has ever moved like that. He’s Ali-like in that respect (and some others), and the GOAT was half-a-foot shorter.

[P4Pdunny]

Yes his fans helped fuel his extreme delusion, from what I’ve seen Wilder was very accessible to a certain group of YouTube boxing channels, you know the type of channels I’m talking about. I know I’ve heard snippets of interviews and let’s just say reality and truth weren’t the order of the day.

These channels would brown nose him so hard, “you da hardest hitter ever” ..... “all da other HWs don’t wanna fight you”. Wilder would’ve eaten it all up being the deluded yes man lover that he is.

Same thing that PBC members would have probably told him too. If you listen to post fight interviews from guys like Errol Spence, he said Fury and Wilder are “1-1” so the trilogy will decide who is better. Like seriously how are they 1-1 when the first fight was a controversial draw, these guys are not in touch with reality and if Wilder is surrounded by them then why would he be anything other than a deluded fool.

I really like Spence but surely he didn't say they are 1-1? What planet are some of these guys on. In regards to the channels you referring to, we all know who they are. They are so deluded after you finish laughing it's quite worrisome that they all appear to be old, grown men.

[CocoonOfHorror]

Roy was interviewed on the Showtime boxing podcast and said that Fury already has to be counted among the all-time greats. His point was that when you beat two champions in/close to their primes and neither had been beaten in 10+ years that you have to consider Fury all-time.
Fury is historically unique with his size and mobility. His chin isn't all-time obviously, but given his elusiveness and the ability to press like he did on Saturday, at 6'9" and 270 pounds he would give trouble to any heavyweight ever.

[LoadedWraps]

I agree with most of what you say, especially your opening list, but although I think Fury, even now, gives anyone in history a hard time, I’m not willing to say he undeniably beats them all. The larger modern heavies are the biggest question marks; but although I would favor Fury over Mike Tyson, I wouldn’t count out the smaller man. If Fury’s power were on par with all his other tools, he’d probably be the greatest heavyweight that ever lived. Then again, if pigs had wings... lol

Except he is though. I've said this for years and eventually you will come around to it. Fury is special, once in a millenia are we graced with a fighter of his pedigree. He has no flaws, and has the perfect storm of skills and intangibles.

We can revisit this post and thread in the next few years when Fury remains undefeated to see how these sentiments aged.

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Except he is though. I've said this for years and eventually you will come around to it. Fury is special, once in a millenia are we graced with a fighter of his pedigree. He has no flaws, and has the perfect storm of skills and intangibles.

We can revisit this post and thread in the next few years when Fury remains undefeated to see how these sentiments aged.

Quoted for truth. A fit and motivated Tyson Fury is unbeatable. I've also been saying this for years.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Except he is though. I've said this for years and eventually you will come around to it. Fury is special, once in a millenia are we graced with a fighter of his pedigree. He has no flaws, and has the perfect storm of skills and intangibles.

We can revisit this post and thread in the next few years when Fury remains undefeated to see how these sentiments aged.

That’s a little too much hyperbole for my taste, to be honest — and I speak rather highly of Tyson myself. Lol

As with all other humans, every fighters has a flaw. The question is always whether that flaw can be exploited. I agree that Fury is special, but history will tell just how special. maybe you’re right, but we’ve all seen a lot of great fighters defeated.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Quoted for truth. A fit and motivated Tyson Fury is unbeatable. I've also been saying this for years.

Lol No one is unbeatable. History has proven this time and again. We don’t even know if the second coming of Mike Tyson is around the corner, maybe a slightly bigger version. I like Fury a lot, but this current age of heavyweights isn’t the most challenging, either. Not Tyson’s fault, but nonetheless true.

[stefjonno1]

I would agree with Roy and I am a Fury fan. It's funny as several years ago Fury was getting abused by so called UK fans for being a Gypsy, but now they are all loving him lol. Roy is right he has a lot more to do to be ranked amongst the greatest. I think he should unify then retire, nothing more to prove.

[TexasCowBoy]

Not one notable win on either Klitschko resume unless you count David haye who was a cruiserweight.


No hall of fame wins.

To hold The Heavyweight Division in a stranglehold for a decade and bring in the likes of deontayduckus to spar to the point where deontayduckus wilderquackus wouldn't even call Klitschko out is a thing of beauty