Damn, imagine it was AJ giving Wilder those punches

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  • TMLT87
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    #21
    Imagine it was AJ in round 7 of the first Ortiz fight too, or AJ landing that left hook and hurting Wilder instead or Eric ****ing Molina.

    Would not surprise me if that fight said more about Wilder than Fury. The last time we saw Fury brutalize a half way decent opponent like that it was ****ing Chisora...6 years ago...and this was quicker and worse. I doubt he became some monster puncher all of a sudden. Fury had been in there with Wilder once before so he knew what he was dealing with now, and what he saw the first time seemed to lead him to give Wilder basically no respect and walk right through him the 2nd time. Remember the Chisora fight was a rematch too.

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    • The Big Dunn
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      #22
      Originally posted by denium
      He's right, you don't fight Deontay on the outside, because at some point he'll land a bomb on you.

      Fury has laid the blueprint on how to fight Wilder, but you've got to a very brave and confident man to execute. I'm not convinced AJ has the balls to do it, he fought scared against Ruiz the second time, and he's already quit a fight against an opponent that is nowhere as threatening as a Fury or Wilder.
      This was my point to LacedUp. I don't know why AJ would risk getting ****** out when he can outbox his way to an easy win.

      I disagree with how many people are describing AJ's win over Ruiz. I don't think it was cowardly, I think it was smart. You don't risk losing $35-50 million paydays to prove something to fans. You keep winning until an opponent finds a way to beat you regardless.

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        #23
        Originally posted by The Big Dunn
        It makes sense when your chin has been exposed by a mid tier slovenly scrub who doesn't have anywhere near the power as Wilder.

        I agree with you Wilder wouldn't be able to deal with AJ's inside game but at this point it would be foolish for AJ to risk losing if they fought by fighting like Fury did. IMO AJ would fight like he did against Ruiz in the 2nd fight and win by wide UD, something like Floyd over Canelo or Manny.
        I think that there's greater risk boxing Wilder at distance than getting up close because you're giving him the space he needs to generate that power. Your points lead can get wiped out in an instant.

        I also think Ruiz is better than mid level if he's fit and focused. His foot speed may let him down but if he can get inside he'll cause problems.
        Very relaxed and fluid with quick hands.

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          #24
          Originally posted by The Big Dunn
          This was my point to LacedUp. I don't know why AJ would risk getting ****** out when he can outbox his way to an easy win.

          I disagree with how many people are describing AJ's win over Ruiz. I don't think it was cowardly, I think it was smart. You don't risk losing $35-50 million paydays to prove something to fans. You keep winning until an opponent finds a way to beat you regardless.
          If Joshua just tries to outbox Wilder from the outside he eventually gets timed and chinned.

          Yes it was smart, but look how Wilder and Fury handle rematches? They knock their respective opponents out or make them quit.

          Joshua wouldn't go anywhere near Ruiz despite him being grossly out of shape, smart yes, but I think it was cowardly.

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          • Mister Wolf
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            #25
            Until proven otherwise Joshua is a runner. If he ran from a plodder with hooves for feet he would run from Wilder as well.

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              #26
              Imagine if AJ was on the receiving end of that right hand from Wilder in the first round he wouldn't of rode the shot and would of been knocked stiff before he got chance to land anything.

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                #27
                Originally posted by denium
                If Joshua just tries to outbox Wilder from the outside he eventually gets timed and chinned.

                Yes it was smart, but look how Wilder and Fury handle rematches? They knock their respective opponents out or make them quit.

                Joshua wouldn't go anywhere near Ruiz despite him being grossly out of shape, smart yes, but I think it was cowardly.
                Joshua is not going to try to outbox Wilder or Fury from the outside for a points win. Wilder nor Fury are as dangerous as Ruiz in close range, I don't know that Wilder even knows how to throw any short punches. Joshua is not at a disadvantage mixing it up with Wilder at close or medium range.

                AJ was overly safe against Ruiz and I understand the criticism of it but I don't blame him..... it was a difficult situation and with many people saying his career would be over if he lost so I can understand why he chose the safe and smart route to victory. Wilder is about to find out how tense that situation is when he rematches Fury.

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                  #28
                  I was always 50/50 on this fight, even after A.J. got knocked out by fat man.

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                  • dan_cov
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                    #29
                    Ortiz and Fury have much better have better footwork, upper body movement and faint variety even Szpilka does.
                    AJ is way too upright he'd play right into Wilders strengths and box him at the distance Wilder needs to land that right hand.

                    AJ is too stiff and doesn't move his head. I don't see how he neutralises that right hand he is way too mechanical. Like Floyd said about GGG straight up and down, no special effects!

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                    • LacedUp
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by NaijaD
                      Haha love the bit in white text.... but this is something I said in another thread: No more fantasy victories for Wilder, all his fans laughed at the thought of pillow fisted Fury being able to knock him out.

                      For years we’ve had to listen to how Wilder beats AJ simply because he hits harder than the guys that hurt or stopped Joshua. So surely the reverse must be true now?

                      Fury isn’t the biggest punching or the most durable guy Wilder had faced yet he destroyed him, there’s more to boxing than being a godly puncher.

                      After Saturday night, I now see why Wilder avoided Wlad.... fighting someone the same size with KO power and far superior skills, Wilder would have probably being brutally outclassed.
                      Wilder's fans are the dumbest clowns in boxing. They went all off on AJ for losing a fight. Clowned him.

                      I don't even feel like clowning Wilder, even though he got totally dominated and pushed around like a child by a guy his fans said couldn't crack an egg.

                      And then.. there's the excuses. It shows the gulf in class between someone like AJ who TODISDAY has made zero excuses.

                      Wilder lost his belt 3 days ago and has already come up with 5 different excuses.

                      It's embarrassing.

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