Comments Thread For: Wilder: Once I Knock Fury Out, You Won't Hear Nothing About Lineal Champion

[The Big Dunn]

Thats because Fury isn't the lineal champ. The winner has to face Joshua and we finally get to see one.

Wilder and Fury are ranked #1 and #2 so the winner will be the lineal champ. The winner then faces AJ for the undisputed HWT title.

[RetroSpeed05]

Wilder and Fury are ranked #1 and #2 so the winner will be the lineal champ. The winner then faces AJ for the undisputed HWT title.

We shall see because not all rankings that keep track of that feel the same. Usually their is a undisputed consensus and depend on your personal preference of which site you trust the most to keep the linage legit.

But i agree the person of this fight should be #1 since AJ still has a loss to Ruiz.

[The Big Dunn]

We shall see because not all rankings that keep track of that feel the same. Usually their is a undisputed consensus and depend on your personal preference of which site you trust the most to keep the linage legit.

But i agree the person of this fight should be #1 since AJ still has a loss to Ruiz.

I should of specified the TBRB. My fault. I go with them because they seem to be the fairest and most legit.

I expect the winner will be #1 and the loser dropped to #3 behind AJ in the next rankings.

[IRONCHINHAGLER]

Wilder was calling Fury lineal for the first fight and PBC were promoting him as lineal. What a tard Wilder is.

He also claims he never got an opportunity to unify. Klitschko was told Wilder was still a baby so didn't want to. Wilder only turned into a man at 32. He then turned down offers to unify. So he's a liar too.

A tarded liar = Deontay Wilder.

Exactly!!! Wilder so full of crap...need to lay off that “Bud” that’s in his vehicle but not his!!

[Oldskoolg]

Lineal Championship vacancies are filled via a box-off between the leading contenders (the #1 and #2 contenders, or in rare instances #1 Vs #3) in a weight division. Impartial, independent ranking organisations are referred to in order to determine who the top contenders are. The typically absurd ratings and comical decisions of sanctioning bodies are ignored.

A champion may lose his title in the following ways:

- If he is beaten in a contest within his weight class.

- If he formally retires.

- If he vacates his weight class.

When a Lineal Champion, formally, and publically announces his retirement, the division’s title becomes vacant – a good example of this, was when Rocky Marciano held a short press conference in 1956 [26], and announced to the world’s media: “Gentlemen, I would to announce my retirement from boxing.” Rocky then answered questions from the journalists in attendance. His announcement was emphatic, concise and sincere, paving the way for Floyd Patterson and Archie Moore to battle for the vacant crown.

In contrast, in 2016, reigning Heavyweight Champion, Tyson Fury, Tweeted [24], “I’m the greatest, and I’m also retired.” Three hours later he Tweeted, “I’m here to stay.”

Boxing Monthly and World Boxing News both acknowledge that Fury is still the Lineal Champion. The TBRB view it slightly differently, stating that abdicated his TBRB crown on the day that he vacated his Alphabet titles – however, it should be remembered that the sanctioning bodies were about to strip him, Fury was simply beating them to the punch. As with the Adamek example outlined above, there is a difference between essentially being forced to relinquish an Alphabet belt, and vacating the true Lineal Title.

Fury never vacated his Ring belt [25] – a sure sign, that he wasn’t vacating his Lineal Title. Prior to his June 2018 comeback fight, Fury explained [23]:

“I’ve had all the alphabet titles. Titles are unimportant to me. I see myself as the Lineal World Heavyweight Champion and I don’t need any belts.”

Interestingly, Fury’s half hearted “retirement” was comparable to that of James J. Corbett’s in 1894. Despite Peter Maher claiming to be the new title holder after a retirement from Corbett, the public didn’t take it seriously and neither did leading contender, Bob Fitzsimmons [2]. Fitzsimmons KO’d Maher in 1 round, and then challenged Corbett for his World Championship on March 17, 1897.

“Retirements” can be a grey area when tracking the Lineal Title, but it is evident, the decisions of sanctioning bodies should be ignored, and only formal retirements should be accepted.

Source? From which organisation is this from? So the “beat the man who beat the man who beat the man” going back to John L Sullivan and James J. Corbett is defunct?

[KnickTillDeaTh]

It’s not hearsay those are his statements on lineal ,so he lied when he said he never heard anything about it and was attempting to become it in the first fight ,how is it hearsay coming out of his own mouth ? Ha.

That quote you posted, Wilder didnt actually refer to Fury as the lineal champ though. He referred to him as the man who beat the man, which in fact a "fact". So maybe find an actual quote with Wilder calling Fury the lineal champ.

[Robbie Barrett]

That quote you posted, Wilder didnt actually refer to Fury as the lineal champ though. He referred to him as the man who beat the man, which in fact a "fact". So maybe find an actual quote with Wilder calling Fury the lineal champ.

Here you go.

“Tyson Fury is still Lineal champion, he is still unified champion. Belts are just like having a car; Joshua may be driving the car, but he don’t own the title!”

https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/412233/deontay-wilder-relishing-potential-tyson-fury-fight-after-weigh-in-scrap-but-slams-anthony-joshua/

[Zelda]

Unless Wilder has worked on his boxing skills, it will be hard to beat Fury...period. With the volume of misses as in the last fight, it will be hard to keep the pace and get him. He might not be able to score 2 knockdowns this time.

I don't believe Fury will go for KO, but seize the opportunity to hurt Wilder enough for Wilder to think twice before committing to that right-hand shot. Unfortunately for Wilder, he has little chance other than trying to KO Fury.

A true 50-50 fight for me.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

We shall see because not all rankings that keep track of that feel the same. Usually their is a undisputed consensus and depend on your personal preference of which site you trust the most to keep the linage legit.

But i agree the person of this fight should be #1 since AJ still has a loss to Ruiz.

Actually, to be technical and extremely accurate, The Ring Magazine is the only legitimate and recognized lineal title. The Ring created the entire concept of the lineal title in 1922, and created the rules by which that title is rewarded. At first it was anyone ranked in the top 3 had to fight each other, and the winner would be awarded the lineal title, and that's how a lineage would begin. The Ring shut down for a few years and was then purchased by Golden Boy. De La Hoya has done a great job of not influencing the Ring as the rankings and lineage decisions are made by a panel of highly respected boxing editors who are not associated with Golden Boy. When the Ring returned the rules were changed to allow anyone in the top 5 in a giving division to challenge another top 5 fighter and become that divisions true champion. Any publication that lays claim to a lineage is nothing compared to that of the Ring. So yes, Wilder and Fury being ranked 1 and 2 respectively, will be awarded a lineal title by Ring Magazine. AJ will have to fight the winner if he wants a claim to the lineage. AJ has no affect on the Heavyweight lineal title.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Here you go.

“Tyson Fury is still Lineal champion, he is still unified champion. Belts are just like having a car; Joshua may be driving the car, but he don’t own the title!”

https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/4...nthony-joshua/

Thanks.... that's why people should always watch what they say