James Toney (1991) vs Canelo Alvarez (2019) at middelweight who wins and why

[Boxing_1013]

Sounds a lot like James Toney.

I confess I haven't seen a ton of Toney fights...but yeah I more or less agree with you on that as well for Toney, based on the few fights of his I have seen, and the clips of him.

I think it would be a pretty even match up

[Willy Wanker]

Great fight, I lean towards Toney by close, but clear decision.

I think Toney is the more skilled fighter, but people thinking he walks through Canelo are crazy. People are underestimating Canelo's skills.

Canelo likely won't win, but he'll make it a hard fight for Toney.

[boogbx]

James Toney at 160 lost to Dave Tiberi and arguably lost to Sanderline Williams and Merqui Sosa and got a gift against Reggie Johnson.

Toney's only impressive win at 160 was Micheal Nunn and that was a fight he was getting schooled in for the vast majority of it.

He could easily lose to both Canelo and GGG. I don't see anything from his actual career to suggest he has an easy night with either of them.

Right on but I disagree. Toney with the point deduction won but struggled I give you that. It was his last fight at 160.

He beat Sosa soundly and struggled with Johnson at his first defense.

That’s why I said a focused Toney. Toney lost fights because of his lack of discipline and bad habits.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

I don't see a KO in this one. I think it's very nip and tuck with lots of defensive prowess. It would be an interesting chess match in my opinion with one or the other possibly gaining a slight edge but I can see a draw easily in this one.

[IronDanHamza]

Right on but I disagree. Toney with the point deduction won but struggled I give you that. It was his last fight at 160.

He beat Sosa soundly and struggled with Johnson at his first defense.

That’s why I said a focused Toney. Toney lost fights because of his lack of discipline and bad habits.

Are you referring to Dave Tiberi? Because that wasn't his last fight at Middleweight and he absolutely DID lose that fight which James Toney openly admits himself. He lost that fight clearly.

He did not beat Sosa soundly at all. There was nothing "sound" about that fight he racked up and early lead and was outworked down the stretch and you could easily argue he lost.

Ok so what's a "focused Toney" then? Which fight was he "focused" in as opposed to all these other ones where he didn't look good at all? Maybe the reality is he just isn't that good?

[boogbx]

Are you referring to Dave Tiberi? Because that wasn't his last fight at Middleweight and he absolutely DID lose that fight which James Toney openly admits himself. He lost that fight clearly.

He did not beat Sosa soundly at all. There was nothing "sound" about that fight he racked up and early lead and was outworked down the stretch and you could easily argue he lost.

Ok so what's a "focused Toney" then? Which fight was he "focused" in as opposed to all these other ones where he didn't look good at all? Maybe the reality is he just isn't that good?

My bad you are right, against Tiberi wasn’t his last fight at MW. I just remember Toney complaining about the weight and saying it was his last fight. After Tiberi he went on to fight the wars with Mccallum, both of which Toney won. That Toney beats Tiberi each time but he did struggle with Tiberi, just like Canelo struggled with Cottoa brother.

I get your point but at his best. Against Mccallum, against Jirov, against Barkley Toney was a great fighter.

[IronDanHamza]

My bad you are right, against Tiberi wasn’t his last fight at MW. I just remember Toney complaining about the weight and saying it was his last fight. After Tiberi he went on to fight the wars with Mccallum, both of which Toney won. That Toney beats Tiberi each time but he did struggle with Tiberi, just like Canelo struggled with Cottoa brother.

I get your point but at his best. Against Mccallum, against Jirov, against Barkley Toney was a great fighter.

Canelo didn't struggle with Jose Cotto. He was momentarily stunned and dominated every other second of the fight before stopping him.

James Toney was beaten CLEARLY by Dave Tiberi. Absolutely clearly lost that fight. And Toney himself admits it.

As for McCallum, the only time Toney beat McCallum clearly was when Mccallum was finished in the 3rd fight.

I don't go off fantasy I'm afraid, I go off what actually happened. Toney lost to Tiberi, lost to Thadzi, drew with Williams and arguably lost to a number of average fighters. That's the reality.

[boogbx]

Canelo didn't struggle with Jose Cotto. He was momentarily stunned and dominated every other second of the fight before stopping him.

James Toney was beaten CLEARLY by Dave Tiberi. Absolutely clearly lost that fight. And Toney himself admits it.

As for McCallum, the only time Toney beat McCallum clearly was when Mccallum was finished in the 3rd fight.

I don't go off fantasy I'm afraid, I go off what actually happened. Toney lost to Tiberi, lost to Thadzi, drew with Williams and arguably lost to a number of average fighters. That's the reality.

Where does Toney agree he lost the fight? It was a close fight but not a clear win for Tiberi. Tiberi got visibly rocked more, got a point deduction for low blows and the rds were give and take depending what you were looking for.

Those fights you mentioned were not close, Only Reggie Johnson but brother it sounds like Toney waxed your ex wife and sent you the videos?

The Mccallum fights weren’t wins for Toney? You tripping, Toney clearly won those fights.

[Jedi Vader]

Toney by schooling.

[IronDanHamza]

Where does Toney agree he lost the fight? It was a close fight but not a clear win for Tiberi. Tiberi got visibly rocked more, got a point deduction for low blows and the rds were give and take depending what you were looking for.

Those fights you mentioned were not close, Only Reggie Johnson but brother it sounds like Toney waxed your ex wife and sent you the videos?

The Mccallum fights weren’t wins for Toney? You tripping, Toney clearly won those fights.

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^^^ Right there he admits it.

He CLEARLY lost the fight to Tiberi. CLEARLY. There is no argument what so ever.

What fights weren't close? Thadzi? Are you for real Thadzi beat him easily and won the decision for fuck sake. Thadzi beat him EASILY.

Williams got a draw, that fight was close. Sosa was close. They all were.

You are actually trying to argue that Toney clearly beat McCallum in the 2nd fight? Because actually NO he did not clearly win that fight at all.

The 3rd fight he won clearly yes. When McCallum was finished. The first two were not clear by any stretch of the imagination and you can easily argue he lost both. Especially the 2nd one.