David Haye has to be the smartest boxer ever

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David Haye did not duck Fury twice 'He suffered a cut, and then a career ending shoulder injury'.

Fury has not got the power to deter David Haye 'A peak Kiltschko could hardly land a punch on David Haye' It was not so much the broken toe which effected him, it was the multiple injections in his leg 'Which unfortunately numbed his leg'.

Tyson Fury's defense is overrated he gets hit often in all of his fights, and he spent 80 % of his early career being bashed about 'Having wars with fighters like John Mcdermott'.

That is why I stated at the end of my last posts? It is marvelous how people's perceptions of Fury have changed dramatically 'The man is awkard fighter, but I still feel that the clumsy Fury is still lurking within him'.

I changed my previous post to say 'pulled out' rather than 'ducked', you are right that to say 'ducked' is too harsh. I just remembered, though, Haye also pulled out against Charr in 2013!? Three fights signed, three pullouts..

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I changed my previous post to say 'pulled out' rather than 'ducked', you are right that to say 'ducked' is too harsh. I just remembered, though, Haye also pulled out against Charr in 2013!? Three fights signed, three pullouts..

And then soon after that Tyson Fury fight was announced, things happen fighters get injured 'Haye's injuries are all well documented, medical records to prove them also'.

The reason why Booth left him was because 'Haye could no longer cope with the intensity of training sessions, Booth wanted Haye to retire after the final camp for Tyson Fury etc'.

They used to do some really intense training techniques 'There was a fitness test that Booth would put Haye with this structure: It would consist of sprinting 100 meter sprints 100 times,with a goal of completing each sprint in under 15 seconds with 30 second recovery.

So 100 x 100 30 second recovery between reps. I actually think Haye was doing alright in his last comeback under Shane Mcguigan, if only his body would of held up etc His punching ability and durability seemed to disappear dramatically in the pace of 1 fight 'The man looked empty inside in his last fight against Tony Bellew'.

He has not been the same since those defeats, two matey matey in all of his punditry.

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Nope.

David Haye won all of his biggest fights all accept up against Wladimir Kiltschko. Haye from my perspective was the undisputed Cruiser-weight champion, he won the WBA, WBC, WBO & Ring magazine titles 'And would of won the IBF if Mormeck was not stripped of that title'.

And at heavyweight he took a risk and captured the WBA heavyweight title, the man was a maverick.

As a fighter in my opinion he was a by far better cruiser-weight that Usyk, and in time history will reveal that he was also a better heavyweight. From a technical/athletic perspective Haye was a extremely potent fighter, who had a very small operating window reminiscent of a formula 1 Car 'But if he was able to train into this operating window? He was a extremely difficult fighter to compete with etc' Out of all 28 of his wins, 26 of them where by Knock-out/Stoppage'.

Haye was inactive because of injuries, I have read his autobiography 'It was a minor miracle that he was able to fight in the latter part of his career, the doctors after surgery stated that he could never throw a punch again'.

David Haye would of ended Tyson Fury in 2013, that one fight changed the entire trajectory of heavyweight history 'Marvelous how people's perspectives change dramatically on Fury'.

Oh please...as a HW Haye's best win was Chisora FFS!

As for his autobiography - he wrote it! So he is not likely to say other than what he wants people to believe.

He left the CW because there was no money in it, as a HW his record is very average indeed beating Chisora and (wait for it) Audley Harrison before getting wrecked twice by Bellow.

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Oh please...as a HW Haye's best win was Chisora FFS!

As for his autobiography - he wrote it! So he is not likely to say other than what he wants people to believe.

He left the CW because there was no money in it, as a HW his record is very average indeed beating Chisora and (wait for it) Audley Harrison before getting wrecked twice by Bellow.

David Haye won all of his titles fights accept Waldimir Kiltschko 'Haye pretty much won all of his biggest fights, as a fighter you can do no more'

It was a minor miracle he was even able to comeback and fight during the later part of his career 'I would of liked him to retire after the first Bellew fight as, he may have lost the fight? But won the admiration of the boxing world'

In my opinion he a peak Haye for sure dismantles Tyson Fury, and up against Wilder & Joshua those are 50/50 fights.

[alexguiness]

David Haye won all of his titles fights accept Waldimir Kiltschko 'Haye pretty much won all of his biggest fights, as a fighter you can do no more'

It was a minor miracle he was even able to comeback and fight during the later part of his career 'I would of liked him to retire after the first Bellew fight as, he may have lost the fight? But won the admiration of the boxing world'

In my opinion he a peak Haye for sure dismantles Tyson Fury, and up against Wilder & Joshua those are 50/50 fights.

Your totally deluded. Haye was never close to being an elite HW.

Beating a zombie like Valulev,and a bum like Harrison and a decent but limited guy like Chisora is not exactly anything to write home about. Also a 40 year Carl Thompson completely outclassed him as CW.

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Your totally deluded. Haye was never close to being an elite HW.

Beating a zombie like Valulev,and a bum like Harrison and a decent but limited guy like Chisora is not exactly anything to write home about. Also a 40 year Carl Thompson completely outclassed him as CW.

Thompson did not out class him, he was being beaten up 'Until Haye tired out' and then was stopped on his feet 'Still gamely wavering him on to fight etc' That was the Impetus for the rise of the Hayemaker 'No real shame in losing to Thompson at that stage'.

I am not deluded, I am stating historical facts 'David Haye won 99.9% of his biggest fights' he won all of his title fights, all accept Wladimir Kiltschko.
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If David Haye had not won 99.9% of his biggest fights, he would not have become the WBA, WBC, WBO & Ring Magazine Cruiser-weight champion aswell as the WBA World Heavyweight Champion.

The Kiltschko's did not dethrone Nikola Valuev because David Haye did 'For a long time in British boxing, there was nobody BUT David Haye carrying the mantle' the man was a maverick.

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LOL bed time kid. If I make any noise in your mom's room I apologise, son.

I foresaw you going sexual with it. Surprised you went the mom route though and not the dad, considering the amount of times you call other grown men “sweetheart”, “hot stuff”, “”, or “cute”.
A few times here and there is banter. You do it enough that I’m setting the over-under on 3 restraining orders by the end of the year.

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I foresaw you going sexual with it. Surprised you went the mom route though and not the dad, considering the amount of times you call other grown men “sweetheart”, “hot stuff”, “”, or “cute”.
A few times here and there is banter. You do it enough that I’m setting the over-under on 3 restraining orders by the end of the year.

Sorry hot stuff I dont speak American so I don't know what you are babbling about. Nonsense no doubt lover boy xx.

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Thompson did not out class him, he was being beaten up 'Until Haye tired out' and then was stopped on his feet 'Still gamely wavering him on to fight etc' That was the Impetus for the rise of the Hayemaker 'No real shame in losing to Thompson at that stage'.

I am not deluded, I am stating historical facts 'David Haye won 99.9% of his biggest fights' he won all of his title fights, all accept Wladimir Kiltschko.
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If David Haye had not won 99.9% of his biggest fights, he would not have become the WBA, WBC, WBO & Ring Magazine Cruiser-weight champion aswell as the WBA World Heavyweight Champion.

The Kiltschko's did not dethrone Nikola Valuev because David Haye did 'For a long time in British boxing, there was nobody BUT David Haye carrying the mantle' the man was a maverick.

OK bro...whatever.

Peace out.

[Watermelon]

Thompson did not out class him, he was being beaten up 'Until Haye tired out' and then was stopped on his feet 'Still gamely wavering him on to fight etc' That was the Impetus for the rise of the Hayemaker 'No real shame in losing to Thompson at that stage'.

I am not deluded, I am stating historical facts 'David Haye won 99.9% of his biggest fights' he won all of his title fights, all accept Wladimir Kiltschko.
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If David Haye had not won 99.9% of his biggest fights, he would not have become the WBA, WBC, WBO & Ring Magazine Cruiser-weight champion aswell as the WBA World Heavyweight Champion.

The Kiltschko's did not dethrone Nikola Valuev because David Haye did 'For a long time in British boxing, there was nobody BUT David Haye carrying the mantle' the man was a maverick.

What's up.
I see Haye is one of your favs. Same with me here..
No need to defend him on here. He is a future hall of famer for sure.

His comeback wasn't successful but it was all taped on film to see how much of a challenge he had to take on.
He will eventually bring out a full 2h documentary about this, at least that was the plan.
The awful ending against Bellew in the rematch where he could hardly walk is now a negative end, so I have no idea when he is going to release it or if they sc****d the project.
A good mate of mine was part of the early filming when they started around 2012.
Knowing him from back in the day but no the current yes man around him I don't even feel safe to say he is done for good. The BBBoc are a joke anyways, who gives a guy with two torn huge muscle groups inside 12 months a license? Lmao

Kind of hard to go out like that but who knows how ****ed his body really is maybe he can't even train at all now.

They started shooting the documentary right after he had absolutely savaged Chisora in July 2012.
That was at his all time best. I believe they had him on a 6month training hiatus because his body was so stressed from the ridiculous training he did for that fight.
The first fury camp and the two pullouts (short footage was shown by sky before the Wilder Stiverne fight) includes more of the sparring footage as well, he floored guys multiple times (not Wilder).
That short highlight clip shows nothing. They were going all out in this camp which unfortunately led to the shoulder tear.

After his rotator cuff tear he began rehab and eventually was ready to train again in early 2015.
Booth and most of the old team were gone by that time already all advised him to end it for good.

Then the next "career ending" injury. He had to get a complicated back surgery with metal plates installed in his lower back.
Rehab involves having to learn to walk again from scratch.
It's a miracle Haye could get back into shape the way he did and a testimony to his warrior spirit that he always had.

The Bellew losses are included as well and I have no info from that point onwards since Haye threw all his old mates out and changed his team completely.
I have no idea who let him take that rematch after a Achilles tear (12months+ rehab)
Then he tore another bicep (he had torn one before) which is another 6months rehab but he still continued..
Result was a completely shot fighter against a fit pudding (Bellew)
Felt horrible seeing him go out like this, especially since the first match was the perfect way to go out like a warrior.

Something tells me the rumors about him being skint were true.
His wife divorced him in 2016 & he made some awful investments in Dubai.
The 10M from the Bellew losses maybe were worth it to him, sadly kinda of damaged his legacy.

If the documentary never comes out it would be a waste. Hope we will see it some day.
Will be back to discuss

PS: also working on a career tribute video atm. "Rise and fall of the infamous Hayemaker DH" lol
I have all the old funny clips of him and some unseen footage.
Will post it up when it's finished

Cheers guys