BREAKING NEWS: Canelo makes offer to Caleb Plant, Saunders, Smith

[bigdunny1]

There aren't any other opponents that can make you as much as a Canelo fight. The only reason to turn the fight down would be because the clauses in the offer are such that the opponent feels he has no chance to win.

It just doesn't make sense that all these guys are turning down what is allegedly 3-4 times their highest payday.

there are no clauses according see report from Mike Copinger and even Hearn is saying nothing about them not liking clauses. This is about money all these fighters trying to haggle for more money even after they have been offered 5X their career paydays. Whoever accepts first will land life changing money and the losers who ripped up a winning lottery ticket are pricing themselves out and will end up taking hard risky fights for a fraction of the pay hoping to keep winning and re-enter the sweepstakes in Sept.

A rehydration clause hasn’t been broached by Golden Boy in talks so far https://t.co/7YBOiecGE4

— Mike Coppinger (@MikeCoppinger) February 13, 2020

[.!WAR MIKEY!.]

Canelo is top 3 pfp on like everyone's list...how is it better to avoid fighting him, and the big payday you receive, and instead fight guys for 1/5th the amount? I don't get that at all.

It happens, Thurman is on record saying multiple times he wouldnt take a mawyeather fight. WHEN THURMAN Was the new man at 147 beside mawyeather and pacquaio. Job secruity adn taht 0 is more important to some fighters. Better the devil you know than the devil you don't meaning if they take a 0 to xyz their no telling how their career will recover from that etc but they know for sure how their career will go going the forsure route.

[The Big Dunn]

there are no clauses according see report from Mike Copinger and even Hearn is saying nothing about them not liking clauses. This is about money all these fighters trying to haggle for more money even after they have been offered 5X their career paydays. Whoever accepts first will land life changing money and the losers who ripped up a winning lottery ticket are pricing themselves out and will end up taking hard risky fights for a fraction of the pay hoping to keep winning and re-enter the sweepstakes in Sept.

A rehydration clause hasn’t been broached by Golden Boy in talks so far https://t.co/7YBOiecGE4

— Mike Coppinger (@MikeCoppinger) February 13, 2020

There are many other things besides a rehydration clause. That said, maybe this is just a case of money. The bad left hook article suggested whoever takes the least amount will get the fight.

Mike also said not yet, meaning they are only talking dollars they haven't had an official contract sent over yet. You guys post as if the offer is just money and there are no strings attached. There are always strings attached.

[kushking]

Good posts...just kind of hit me...but Canelo put a weight clause on Rocky Fielding at 168...and it was a little murky, but apparently had one on Kov as well.

My guess is that it isn't about the money for some of these guys...but rather that Canelo and co. are likely, imho, putting clauses in there to hamstring some of those guys at 168.

If they did it for Rocky Fielding, why wouldn't they do it for guys much better than him?

If any of those guys are getting $8 million or close to that though, with no clauses in there..they should take that all day.

Just hard to know what is really being offered...all these promoters are so full of sh.it you never know what is going on.

Kovalev went on record well before negotiations to say he was fine with ibf rules.(he got to come in at hw if he wanted to because the fight was already scheduled for much later than any prior kov fights & gave him much more time to rehydrate as much as he wanted,& he had already done ibf rehydration before.) Jacobs had several fights in a row with IBF rehydration clause including vs Deryev who wasn't at a disadvantage like Canelo was when Jacobs blew it off 1 fight later.

These guys all have every conceivable advantage over Canelo imaginable & hes fighting at their natural weightclass where nobody could've ever predicted Canelo would be able to compete at. Its all bs excuses every last word of it,these guys are capable of coming in at hw if they choose & have every natural size advantage imaginable as well as reach etc.

But they wanna make up bs excuses about weight even though they had advantages over Canelo like when Jacobs decided to yet again cheat for the 2nd time.

Kovalev has never fought after midnight in his career & had way more weight than vs Yarde who had an early ass fight time after weigh in.

When Canelo was already a ppv star he took less money for Fmj/lara/Trout etc just to build his name,these guys who have every advantage imaginable,& who have no fanbase are crying about making more than Canelo did most his career,& unlike when he was weightdrained to get a big fight w cashcow,they don't have to do anything besides not blow up before the morning of the fight then they're free to fill that CW frame to 200+ lbs

[The Big Dunn]

Good posts...just kind of hit me...but Canelo put a weight clause on Rocky Fielding at 168...and it was a little murky, but apparently had one on Kov as well.

My guess is that it isn't about the money for some of these guys...but rather that Canelo and co. are likely, imho, putting clauses in there to hamstring some of those guys at 168.

If they did it for Rocky Fielding, why wouldn't they do it for guys much better than him?

If any of those guys are getting $8 million or close to that though, with no clauses in there..they should take that all day.

Just hard to know what is really being offered...all these promoters are so full of sh.it you never know what is going on.

The devil is always in the details.

[Boxing_1013]

Kovalev went on record well before negotiations to say he was fine with ibf rules.(he got to come in at hw if he wanted to because the fight was already scheduled for much later than any prior kov fights & gave him much more time to rehydrate as much as he wanted,& he had already done ibf rehydration before.) Jacobs had several fights in a row with IBF rehydration clause including vs Deryev who wasn't at a disadvantage like Canelo was when Jacobs blew it off 1 fight later.

These guys all have every conceivable advantage over Canelo imaginable & hes fighting at their natural weightclass where nobody could've ever predicted Canelo would be able to compete at. Its all bs excuses every last word of it,these guys are capable of coming in at hw if they choose & have every natural size advantage imaginable as well as reach etc.

But they wanna make up bs excuses about weight even though they had advantages over Canelo like when Jacobs decided to yet again cheat for the 2nd time.

Kovalev has never fought after midnight in his career & had way more weight than vs Yarde who had an early ass fight time after weighin.

Man just adding in those clauses adds su****ion...just is what it is.

It's a bit like the scene in the Gladiator where the Emporer stabs Russell Crowe's character...maybe sometimes there is no real stabbing at all...but Canelo right now has that reputation as doing that stuff...he's still a great fighter but yeah when you're the A-side you get to make the rules...it sucks but it is what it is...just the way it goes.

[The Big Dunn]

Guys like smith etc CANT AFFORD A LOST! Thurman didnt want a Mawyeather figth either cause his career was young and couldnt afford a Lost.

Who wanted the fight, Khan, guerrero, Berto, Cotto, etc who career was already ending.
who wanted a Canelo fight GGG, Kovalev, Cotto, Martinez, etc who career is alrady ending.

Job security is more important to some fighters than a one time big big check.

That is a fair point. When fighting Canelo you already are somewhat behind the 8 ball. he is a great fighter. You will be fighting on his network. You see the scorecard that gave him a draw against Floyd so you know as a fighter you are going to lose on 1 judges card no matter what. If there are any other clauses or restrictions included that makes winning almost impossible.

[bigdunny1]

There are many other things besides a rehydration clause. That said, maybe this is just a case of money. The bad left hook article suggested whoever takes the least amount will get the fight.

You guys always post as if the offer is just money and there are no strings attached. There are always strings attached.

Hearn would state it if the fighters are turning down the offers because of restrictions he's not. And Coppinger reporting there is no clause and that the fighters are asking for more money. Golden boy owner saying the fighters are asking for more money no mention of clauses. This isn't complicated just excuses from haters on why fighters are pricing themselves out which has always existed in boxing we just didn't know about it before social media

[Boxing_1013]

The devil is always in the details.

Yep...good points/posts...I was like 'why would any of these dudes turn down that fight'...and then I think you may have hit it on the head.

Not to mention that any contracts probably have NDAs attached as well...where if you do or don't sign, you can't say what stipulations were in the contract or you can get sued perhaps.

And then floating out that these guys 'ducked' Canelo just creates the narrative too that Canelo and his team want to engender...that Canelo is too much right now and no one wants to face him.

Again good posts...I think you hit it on the head with why some of these guys are 'ducking' that fight.

[kushking]

Yep...good points/posts...I was like 'why would any of these dudes turn down that fight'...and then I think you may have hit it on the head.

Not to mention that any contracts probably have NDAs attached as well...where if you do or don't sign, you can't say what stipulations were in the contract or you can get sued perhaps.

And then floating out that these guys 'ducked' Canelo just creates the narrative too that Canelo and his team want to engender...that Canelo is too much right now and no one wants to face him.

Again good posts...I think you hit it on the head with why some of these guys are 'ducking' that fight.

Thats complete bs,every single fight with clauses has had a statement sent to the media which is why fat Dan has reported on each case & made it clear gbp told him. I just explained to you why that whole narrative is bs & yet you persist & brush off the proof I posted that nobody with a 10 lb morning of rehydration was drained like if Canelo made a cw fight,& those guys came in heavier than usual & in Jacobs case it gave him a huge advantage. Remember when the bs narrative was that Canelo was a cruiserweight weightbullying supposed smaller fighters who actually rehydrated just as much or more like Trout,Kirkland,Smith, Lara etc etc & who all are taller than Canelo. Smith is 6'3" ffs