Lets be honest Wilder and Fury are both very mediocre

[Slicc]

And Lol at that statement!!!!!

Boxrec is not a legit ranking system in any form or fashion. They use some kind of algorithm that totally does not work for boxing. They are pretty much only good for tracking fighters records.

Want an example? How could AJ possibly be ranked #1 when he was just KTFO in his next to last fight? No way

What other other active heavyweight has become a 3-belt unified champion twice? Fury beat Wlad and vanished, and Wilder never unified at all.

[Marchegiano]

Let's look at those contenders:

Eric Molina: A bum, that Chris Arreola knocked out in 1 round. He managed to stun Wilder.

Johann Duhaupas: Lost to 2 bums before getting stopped by Wilder.

Artur Szpilka: Glass-jawed bum, who's allergic to being conscious in fights. Got knocked out by Bryant fucking Jennings before Wilder, and again by Adam Kownacki right after Wilder nearly decapitated him. Absolute dosser.

Chris Arreola: Bin man, who lost to Stiverne and V. Klitschko.

Gerald Washington: Former football player, with a decent jab. Quit against Jarrell "Juice" Miller and got knocked out by Kownacki after Wilder knocked him out.

Luis Ortiz: First quality fighter on Wilder's record, but Wilder's fans overrate him. He's never beaten anyone of note, and is old in boxing years.

Tyson Fury: Best name on Wilder's record by far, and Wilder only fought him because he was coming up off the couch. Fury should've won the first fight, but got robbed.


Wilder's #1 according to who's ratings? I know Boxrec has AJ ranked #1.

Wilder has #1 twice and #2 twice by the four major ranking boards outside of the sanctioned ranks

Fury has one #1 position and one #2 position

Joshua has one #1 position and one #2 position.



Transnational: Wilder1, Fury2

Ring: Fury1, Wilder2

ESPN: Wilder1, Joshua2

Boxrec: Joshua1, Wilder2



If anyone has a consensus it's Wilder. The world agrees he is either the best or next in line. It's the other two that's being questioned......rightly so, they've both looked ass in their last couple of fights.

https://www.tbrb.org/all-rankings/

https://www.******.com/ratings/?weightclass=272

https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/21675272/divisional-rankings-guillermo-rigondeaux-earns-spot-bantamweight-decision-win

https://boxrec.com/en/ratings?Nbe%5B...tus%5D=a&r_go=

[Boxing Goat]

Wilder won the WBC strap off of Stiverne, who knocked Arreola out for it. Stiverne was handed the belt against a mediocre fighter he had already beaten, then lost it his very next fight. You really thought I was gonna let you sit here and pretend like Wilder was out here fighting murderer's row?


None of the title holders wanted to fight him? Okay, just forget that Wilder turned down $120m for a deal, which included 2 AJ bouts. Besides, Whyte was and still is a top contender, yet Wilder wanted no smoke with him, even before the Dianabol fiasco. If Wilder's tomato cans were top contenders, then that says a lot about the division itself.


I thought up-to-date ratings were supposed to count recent achievements. Fury got a robbery draw against Wilder and almost lost to Wallin. What kind of criteria are they running over there?

Oh, we're back to debate class again?

Before we get started, how old are you?

Ok, now on topic.

I already said, Wilder fought the ranked guys in line for HIS TITLE and turned nothing of the sort down and even if he had, that was talk in the media, nothing to do with real figures or actual contracts. If you want to get technical, Fury is a much harder fight for Wilder than AJ would have been. I think that's pretty clear.

Now, back to debate class.

[Boxing Goat]

What other other active heavyweight has become a 3-belt unified champion twice? Fury beat Wlad and vanished, and Wilder never unified at all.

You just said rankings should be based on what you have done lately, didn't you?

Well there you go, AJ was ktfo in his fight before last!

There is no legit ranking system in the world that has him ranked over Wilder right now.

[Slicc]

Oh, we're back to debate class again?

Before we get started, how old are you?

200. I bought this phone from the money I made betting on Jack Johnson, when he knocked out Luis Ortiz.

Ok, now on topic.

I already said, Wilder fought the ranked guys in line for HIS TITLE and turned nothing of the sort down and even if he had, that was talk in the media, nothing to do with real figures or actual contracts.

But, Wilder never called Eddie Hearn's bluff. Matter of fact, Lou Dibella was fired for trying to secure those deals for him. If the money wasn't legit, then that would've been the first thing Wilder and his team said, instead of the million and one excuses they came up with.

If you want to get technical, Fury is a much harder fight for Wilder than AJ would have been. I think that's pretty clear.

Now, back to debate class.

Fury's lucky to have made it out of the 1st bout in one piece. He was literally a second away from losing in the 12th round. AJ has much more power than Fury, and can also stick and move, although not to the extent of Fury. Due to AJ hitting signicantly harder than him, he doesn't have to fight near flawlessly for 12 rounds like he had to.

I'd say most high level fighters can avoid getting knocked out by Wilder long enough to get off their own power punches. Fury landed his right hand often, but didn't have the power to keep Wilder off of him consistently. Ortiz took Wilder's right hand and got up to nearly stop him, but gassed out off of age. By the time the rematch took place, Ortiz was 40 and his punches could hardly phase Wilder. Wilder walked through so many shots, that you wouldn't think Ortiz had him holding on for dear life in the 1st match, if you had never heard of them.

[Slicc]

You just said rankings should be based on what you have done lately, didn't you?

Well there you go, AJ was ktfo in his fight before last!

There is no legit ranking system in the world that has him ranked over Wilder right now.

You're leaving out AJ having won his belts back. Don't get me wrong, I can understand why Wilder would be ranked above AJ; my belief that AJ should go above Wilder is just that. It's simply stating my opinion.

[Boxing Goat]

You're leaving out AJ having won his belts back. Don't get me wrong, I can understand why Wilder would be ranked above AJ; my belief that AJ should go above Wilder is just that. It's simply stating my opinion.

Actual ranking > your opinion

That was my point

[Boxing Goat]

200. I bought this phone from the money I made betting on Jack Johnson, when he knocked out Luis Ortiz.


But, Wilder never called Eddie Hearn's bluff. Matter of fact, Lou Dibella was fired for trying to secure those deals for him. If the money wasn't legit, then that would've been the first thing Wilder and his team said, instead of the million and one excuses they came up with.


Fury's lucky to have made it out of the 1st bout in one piece. He was literally a second away from losing in the 12th round. AJ has much more power than Fury, and can also stick and move, although not to the extent of Fury. Due to AJ hitting signicantly harder than him, he doesn't have to fight near flawlessly for 12 rounds like he had to.

I'd say most high level fighters can avoid getting knocked out by Wilder long enough to get off their own power punches. Fury landed his right hand often, but didn't have the power to keep Wilder off of him consistently. Ortiz took Wilder's right hand and got up to nearly stop him, but gassed out off of age. By the time the rematch took place, Ortiz was 40 and his punches could hardly phase Wilder. Wilder walked through so many shots, that you wouldn't think Ortiz had him holding on for dear life in the 1st match, if you had never heard of them.

The first part makes perfect sense ......

Next, Wilder made a counter offer, one which AJ asked for and which was verified as legit and it was ignored.

And I've watched every Wilder fight since before he was a titlist and Wilder knocked out Ortiz twice so it just doesn't matter anymore.

You have to come up with something more than just your opinion.

I DO NOT LIKE WILDER, but is the best HW in the world right now. (today)

[uppercut510]

I'm a boxing fan and they are of the top in the HW division, its really pointless to sit and complain all day about how great past fighters were above this generation. its gotten old, I appreciate what they both do in the ring

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Neither one of them are that good.