What stars has PBC created?

[Eff Pandas]

I'm not saying that the individual quality of the fighter doesn't matter. But the promoter matters too.

Both things can be true.

Sure. And the parents matter. And how they grew up matters. And teachers, coaches & mentors matter too. It takes a village & blah blah blah. But the boxer makes himself a star. No one outside of the star himself or herself makes a star.

Plenty of guys have been promoted by Arum or Oscar or whoever you wanna claim is a "star builder" & never did a fooking thing so they got a massive failure to make a star ratio & the star himself gots a 100% success percentage. That says everything to who really makes one a star.

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Sure. And the parents matter. And how they grew up matters. And teachers, coaches & mentors matter too. It takes a village & blah blah blah. But the boxer makes himself a star. No one outside of the star himself or herself makes a star.

Plenty of guys have been promoted by Arum or Oscar or whoever you wanna claim is a "star builder" & never did a fooking thing so they got a massive failure to make a star ratio & the star himself gots a 100% success percentage. That says everything to who really makes one a star.

If you manage a young fighter right now you will most likely try to steer him towards Top Rank. Because of their track record.

They're not going to be perfect or have a 100% hit rate but that's obvious.

[Eff Pandas]

If you manage a young fighter right now you will most likely try to steer him towards Top Rank. Because of their track record.

They're not going to be perfect or have a 100% hit rate but that's obvious.

Exactly cuz they don't create stars. Stars create themselves. Oscar made Oscar. Bob didn't. Sure Bob played his small role in the that success, but so did Oscar's trainers, Oscar's dad, Oscar's mom & so many others. Oscar being Oscar made himself a star ultimately doe cuz there are plenty of mfers who don't got the talent or persona of Oscar & those things are Oscar's not anyone elses.

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Exactly cuz they don't create stars. Stars create themselves. Oscar made Oscar. Bob didn't. Sure Bob played his small role in the that success, but so did Oscar's trainers, Oscar's dad, Oscar's mom & so many others. Oscar being Oscar made himself a star ultimately doe cuz there are plenty of mfers who don't got the talent or persona of Oscar & those things are Oscar's not anyone elses.

So how come Oscar's company has been able to bring Vergil Ortiz and Ryan Garcia to the verge of stardom, while PBC hasn't been able to have similar success during the same time period?

Does Vergil just have a superior personality and better fighting skills than the PBC prospects?

[Eff Pandas]

So how come Oscar's company has been able to bring Vergil Ortiz and Ryan Garcia to the verge of stardom, while PBC hasn't been able to have similar success during the same time period?

Does Vergil just have a superior personality and better fighting skills than the PBC prospects?

How come David Lemieux isn't a star right up there with King Ry & Vergil then? Honestly I got no clue why you are putting forth such a silly debate when the answer is right in front of you. If Oscar is doing something no one else is capable of then why isn't he the goose laying all the golden eggs more often then he does?

Cuz he's not laying golden eggs. If he's doing anything its finding eggs that look like they could turn gold. If you wanna suggest Oscar is better at RECRUITING guys with star potential I'd agree with that, but Oscar isn't making them stars. Its fooking silly to even suggest it. Hell since Oscar WAS a star & his promotion is supposed to be able to do it you'd think they'd have a star in every weight division more or less if he was actually some sort of future king maker in boxing.

And its not about "superior" anything necessarily. Thats silly too. I mean look at Broner. Broner is waaaaaaay too popular for his skills, but lotsa mfers still love that guy & he's a star despite kinda sucking as a boxer in recent years. Idk that I'd accuse him of having a superior personality, but he's a guy who engages with & connects with fans in a way that makes him a star in the sport. There's lotsa ways guys became become stars its not one cookie cutter design. Floyd become a star by becoming hated & highly skilled. Oscar became a star by taking the SRL cookie cutter route. Broner is just a crazy ass mfer. And none of their promoters played much of a role in those guys becoming a star other than being intelligent enough to sign them & not fook it up. Although you could probably accuse Bob of trying to hem Floyd's road to stardom, but thats a whole other story.

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How come David Lemieux isn't a star right up there with King Ry & Vergil then? Honestly I got no clue why you are putting forth such a silly debate when the answer is right in front of you. If Oscar is doing something no one else is capable of then why isn't he the goose laying all the golden eggs more often then he does?

Cuz he's not laying golden eggs. If he's doing anything its finding eggs that look like they could turn gold. If you wanna suggest Oscar is better at RECRUITING guys with star potential I'd agree with that, but Oscar isn't making them stars. Its fooking silly to even suggest it. Hell since Oscar WAS a star & his promotion is supposed to be able to do it you'd think they'd have a star in every weight division more or less if he was actually some sort of future king maker in boxing.

And its not about "superior" anything necessarily. Thats silly too. I mean look at Broner. Broner is waaaaaaay too popular for his skills, but lotsa mfers still love that guy & he's a star despite kinda sucking as a boxer in recent years. Idk that I'd accuse him of having a superior personality, but he's a guy who engages with & connects with fans in a way that makes him a star in the sport. There's lotsa ways guys became become stars its not one cookie cutter design. Floyd become a star by becoming hated & highly skilled. Oscar became a star by taking the SRL cookie cutter route. Broner is just a crazy ass mfer. And none of their promoters played much of a role in those guys becoming a star other than being intelligent enough to sign them & not fook it up. Although you could probably accuse Bob of trying to hem Floyd's road to stardom, but thats a whole other story.

You do you, man.

I'll just agree to disagree. And laugh at PBC thinking they can just throw a random fight like Ruiz vs Arreola on PPV and that the Mexican fanbase will run to buy buy it. Haymon should know better than that.

[Eff Pandas]

You do you, man.

I'll just agree to disagree. And laugh at PBC thinking they can just throw a random fight like Ruiz vs Arreola on PPV and that the Mexican fanbase will run to buy buy it. Haymon should know better than that.

So you just ignoring my questions cuz the answers fook up your silly narration lol.

I'm not in some TR & GBP vs PBC debate cuz its not even in play like that. No one besides a star is creating a star.

Like I said if you wanna say TR & GBP are better at signing guys who got star potential than PBC is thats a fair take & discussion. But to suggest TR & GBP are churning out stars like a baker making cakes is a silly discussion. Agree to disagree doe, but it seems so obvious that stars make themselves idk why mfers so casual suggest thats not how it is. And when what TR or GBP is actually doing to allegedly make stars either mfers get quiet or they mention the same thing every promoter does or the same things these same guys do to a million other guys who never become stars. The math makes no sense that ANY promoter is creating a damn thing.

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So you just ignoring my questions cuz the answers fook up your silly narration lol.

I'm not in some TR & GBP vs PBC debate cuz its not even in play like that. No one besides a star is creating a star.

Like I said if you wanna say TR & GBP are better at signing guys who got star potential than PBC is thats a fair take & discussion. But to suggest TR & GBP are churning out stars like a baker making cakes is a silly discussion. Agree to disagree doe, but it seems so obvious that stars make themselves idk why mfers so casual suggest thats not how it is. And when what TR or GBP is actually doing to allegedly make stars either mfers get quiet or they mention the same thing every promoter does or the same things these same guys do to a million other guys who never become stars. The math makes no sense that ANY promoter is creating a damn thing.

You don't think that promoters can create stars. That's sounds silly as hell to me and probably to most of the other posters in this thread.

But you're entitled to your opinion. I'm done trying to change your mind.

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What should be considered a star in boxing?

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What should be considered a star in boxing?

A fighter that consistently sells a lot of tickets and draws high viewership numbers.