What stars has PBC created?

[ShoulderRoll]

PBC obviously has no idea what it's doing. GBP already building up Vergil Ortiz and Ryan Garcia after building up Canelo previously. PBC doesn't even have a current fighter, other than Wilder, that they have built up, and what's worse is they have a lot of fighters on their roster, unlike GBP. GBP doing more with less.

Top Rank is probably in the best position. They did a fantastic job feeding Lomachenko to Lopez. Now they have a superstar on their hands. Possibly the same with Oscar Valdez after his great win over Berchelt. Top Rank is also doing very well with Fury, unlike how PBC handled Wilder.

PBC just doesn't know how to build up stars.

And, as mentioned earlier in this thread, Wilder was guided to the WBC championship by Golden Boy Promotions.

[Mmann2e]

How is a guy who's made 8 digits a couple times at least I believe & supposedly has been offered as much as $40M for one fight according to Eddie Hearn & something like a $100M mutil-fight deal not a star?

What makes a guy a star in your estimation?

Sometimes, well a lot of times actually, I think some of you guys got too high of a hurdle to clear to various things like being a top ten guy or star or legend or all kinds of other sh^t.

I'd argue if your getting paid in the top 1/10th of 1% of boxers, you've been in multiple PPV main events, have ESPN giving your fight outcomes on their scrolling results banner on the regular & you're wearing $40,000 costumes into the ring you are a star.

Floyd made over 70 million, Andre Ward made more than Wilder, as did Paul Williams, Manny Pacquiao, Mike Tyson, Holyfield, Trinidad and others over their careers. Wilder made 70 million off two fights which he performed pathetically it be a waste to give him anywhere past 7 million to fight because he wasn't selling out fights before Fury and his untalented corpse will be lucky to sell out in his own state.

[Nightprowler]

Zero stars. They had to steal (not surprisingly ) from GBP to stay afloat.

[TernceBudCharlo]

PBC has created many great stars. Wilder ruled boxing for that period whether you like him or not. Danny Garcia, Shawn Porter, Keith Thurman, Errol Spence are some of the biggest stars in boxing. I know this because you all are the same guys that accuse Bud of ducking them. Leo Santa Cruz was a big star, the fans were going crazy during his fights with Mares. Adonis Stevenson is an icon in Montreal. PBC created Beterbiev too. Marcus Browne will be a big star one day. The Charlo brothers.

Ever been to an event at the Barclays center? There's nothing quite like it, I hope everyone gets the chance to go,

[Nightprowler]

PBC has created many great stars. Wilder ruled boxing for that period whether you like him or not. Danny Garcia, Shawn Porter, Keith Thurman, Errol Spence are some of the biggest stars in boxing. I know this because you all are the same guys that accuse Bud of ducking them. Leo Santa Cruz was a big star, the fans were going crazy during his fights with Mares. Adonis Stevenson is an icon in Montreal. PBC created Beterbiev too. Marcus Browne will be a big star one day. The Charlo brothers.

Ever been to an event at the Barclays center? There's nothing quite like it, I hope everyone gets the chance to go,

[ShoulderRoll]

PBC has created many great stars. Wilder ruled boxing for that period whether you like him or not. Danny Garcia, Shawn Porter, Keith Thurman, Errol Spence are some of the biggest stars in boxing. I know this because you all are the same guys that accuse Bud of ducking them. Leo Santa Cruz was a big star, the fans were going crazy during his fights with Mares. Adonis Stevenson is an icon in Montreal. PBC created Beterbiev too. Marcus Browne will be a big star one day. The Charlo brothers.

Ever been to an event at the Barclays center? There's nothing quite like it, I hope everyone gets the chance to go,

Please stick to the thread topic, bro.

What stars has PBC created outside of boxers built up by Golden Boy Promotions?

[Eff Pandas]

Good matchmakers. They know how to pick fights for their prospects that will help them grow while not taking losses or getting them beat up too much. GBP and Top Rank have some of the best matchmakers in the business. PBC has nothing, just a bunch of different promoters that they rotate through seemingly at random.

How the fook does a matchmaker make a star? A matchmaker can make a hype job or cleverly move a guy past his true limitations as a boxer. He can't make a star.

To build a star it's also necessary to gain a following for a fighter. Regularly featuring them on cards, consistently getting them face time with the media, and generally keeping them in the public eye so that people can easily follow their story. PBC has been crap at this because they seemingly have no end game in mind for a lot of their guys and because early on they network-hopped a lot. If you were trying to follow a particular boxer you had no clue when you could expect to see him again or on what channel. With short attention spans these days the average fan will just move on to something else.

Fighters build their own following. A promoters whole job is to get you fights. I don't know that thats a star making quality to schedule fights which they are contractually obligated to do.

What if a guy is fighting 4 times a year on ESPN during prime time & looks like sh^t or loses a fight? Is he still a star off of activity & being on prime time? Hell no he ain't. A guy creates his own stardom by being a fun guy to watch in or out of the ring or just being a cat with some level of charisma or entertainment ability that connects with fans. The boxer is the one making his own stardom by his talent or personality.

[TernceBudCharlo]

Please stick to the thread topic, bro.

What stars has PBC created outside of boxers built up by Golden Boy Promotions?

So 2015 to today? Was Errol ever with Golden Boy? Tank Davis wasn't. I don't think Adonis was ever with Golden Boy either. Same with Sir Marcus.

[ShoulderRoll]

How the fook does a matchmaker make a star? A matchmaker can make a hype job or cleverly move a guy past his true limitations as a boxer. He can't make a star.


Fighters build their own following. A promoters whole job is to get you fights. I don't know that thats a star making quality to schedule fights which they are contractually obligated to do.

What if a guy is fighting 4 times a year on ESPN during prime time & looks like sh^t or loses a fight? Is he still a star off of activity & being on prime time? Hell no he ain't. A guy creates his own stardom by being a fun guy to watch in or out of the ring or just being a cat with some level of charisma or entertainment ability that connects with fans. The boxer is the one making his own stardom by his talent or personality.

Come on. Are you serious? A matchmaker is a critical part of picking the right opponents so that a fighter develops as fully as possible. Without getting derailed or looking like sh^t 4 times a year on ESPN.

And a promoter's main job is to promote. Hold press conferences, book fighters to do interviews, and generally draw as much attention as possible.

A boxers personality and how fun he is to watch can contribute to his stardom. But if that was all there was to it guys like Golovkin wouldn't have needed K2 in order to finally make it big.

[Eff Pandas]

Floyd made over 70 million, Andre Ward made more than Wilder, as did Paul Williams, Manny Pacquiao, Mike Tyson, Holyfield, Trinidad and others over their careers. Wilder made 70 million off two fights which he performed pathetically it be a waste to give him anywhere past 7 million to fight because he wasn't selling out fights before Fury and his untalented corpse will be lucky to sell out in his own state.

I don't know how you are DQing Wilder as a star while **** measuring him against other stars for the most part. Again I think some of you guys don't actually think logically about what you are saying like those guys who saying there are only 7 guys who deserve to be in the top ten or goofy sh^t like that.