Was Floyd a Cheater?

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Not when you understand doses, Armstrong was given 2-3000 ml on consecutive days leading up to a test, Floyd was given 750ml that is less than Ive given a 60lb Greyhound .

On top of that Floyd was tested before and after the IV Fluids.

Athletes do dry out and they used to give IV fluids all the time if a guy was coming down on weight too fast, its very possible to request a small amount of Fluids and amino acids if he was dehydrating too fast.

Ive give Greyhound the same only a full bag 1000ml a few hours before a race because they traveled to excited and lost too much weight.

You guys are more hate driven that fact driven and Peds is the go too reason for all in this forum.

7.5 times the legal limit is a small amount...because you gave that much to a dog once its ok? great anecdotal evidence there but that wasnt a small amount. lance armstrong was riding his bike like 12 hours a day of course he was going to need more. you never addressed that floyd didnt drop any weight at all. its documented. yet he still needed it? why? just for fun? if we are hate driven for knowing how things work and when things dont add up you must be love driven for ignoring key parts of the story and conflating floyd, lance armstrong, and dogs.

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not extensively. did you read the hauser article? they wouldn't have caught any of the ped's just from the piss tests he took. he flushed the rest to pass the post fight test.

Hauser lol, he was shut down for fabricating, he was proven to be telling blow flies on so many fronts, Usada issued a 20 page rebuttal and Hauser shut up real quick, Hauser didnt even get the testing used right.

You need to research the things you dont want to know about, and weigh them up equally because you only know one side.

750ml would mask nothing its a low dose and in the realm of dehydration not masking, its just not near enough for flushing the bloodstream of anything.

Armstrong today would be caught in a hot minute..

[Legends456]

Until they are convicted they are not cheaters in my eyes . Becusse Let's be real 90% of fighters are cheating in some form but I cant throw shade until they get caught . Did floyd do some shady AF stuff.....YES . But is he a blatant cheater ?? NO until proven otherwise . And that may be because of his money, yes , who knows . But without proof iam not gonna throw shade on guys legacies .

Heres some cheaters imho :

Resto
P.lewis
Margarito
Canelo
Whyte
Ortiz
Miller

To name a few . Hard to name guys where it hasnt been proven or is a grey area without looking like a hater etc . So I stay away from it . I could list ALOT of fighters I think are cheaters but that wouldnt be very productive becuase it's based off my opinion and I have no right to call that without proof .

Great post!

[tyger]

Joe Cortez didn't take one point for using elbows the whole fight so he can't be a cheater.

[daggum]

I’ll say it again, unless you fail an actual test it’s hard to accuse the man. Was it strange? Yeah. Was filing for a tue the way he did weird? Yes. But without a full explanation it’s hard to just call him a cheat outright.

what he did was cheating though. its like saying if the jury says tank is not guilty then he's not guilty. does the decision rendered change what actually happened? did tank not grab the woman? no. it still happened. if you look at the reasons for the tue. they are nonsensical. you shouldn't go by what the agency that was captured says. sometimes you have to make up your own mind. there was no reason for the IV. if you look further into the payments that floyd paid them you can see there was regulatory capture and these were just the payments that were disclosed. who knows what went on behind the scenes. maybe nothing but even the stuff we know is damning.

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7.5 times the legal limit is a small amount...because you gave that much to a dog once its ok? great anecdotal evidence there but that wasnt a small amount. lance armstrong was riding his bike like 12 hours a day of course he was going to need more. you never addressed that floyd didnt drop any weight at all. its documented. yet he still needed it? why? just for fun? if we are hate driven for knowing how things work and when things dont add up you must be love driven for ignoring key parts of the story and conflating floyd, lance armstrong, and dogs.

It would help if you knew what you were talking about, trying to explain the simplistic doses of IV fluids is like explaining a F1 car to a country lawn mower mechanic.

Go and look up doses for dehydration, and Ive given a truck load of Greyhounds IV fluids and it goes on body weight and severity its the same in man or dog , its used in all species so how it works in an animal is exactly the same in how it works in a man .

750 ml is a low doses and would not mask anything but would sure help mild dehydration.

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Hauser lol, he was shut down for fabricating, he was proven to be telling blow flies on so many fronts, Usada issued a 20 page rebuttal and Hauser shut up real quick, Hauser didnt even get the testing used right.

You need to research the things you dont want to know about, and weigh them up equally because you only know one side.

750ml would mask nothing its a low dose and in the realm of dehydration not masking, its just not near enough for flushing the bloodstream of anything.

Armstrong today would be caught in a hot minute..

wow you really love your confirmation bias. so everything usada said was true? i read usada's piece and it was 25 pages of nothing. it was a data dump and nothing more. there was no substance to it and hausser didnt shut up real quick. he issued another rebuttal but when you dont have anything of substance to respond to what do you expect him to do?

they never addressed the money given to them, they didnt address that the NSAC said a tue like this was neve given so close to a fight. they just said a bunch of nonsense like "pac was informed of the tue when it was given" oh yeah 3 weeks after the fight tthank you usada derp! its just a circle jerk. floyd did nothing wrong because usada said he did nothing wrong! they never once addressed why he needed the IV, why it was allowed to happen, why the TUE was given, only that it was given, and hence because t was given it must be ok. that doesnt hold any water.

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It would help if you knew what you were talking abo]t, trying to explain the simplistic doses of IV fluids is like explaining a F1 car to a country lawn mower mechanic.

Go and look up doses for dehydration, and Ive given a truck load of Greyhounds IV fluids and it goes on body weight and severity its the same in man or dog , its used in all species so how it works in an animal is exactly the same in how it works in a man .

750 ml is a low doses and would not mask anything but would sure help mild dehydration.

this is for severe dehydration:

adults should be given IV fluid at a rate of 30 ml/kg within 30 minutes, followed by 70 ml/kg in the next 2.5 hours, thus providing a total of 100 ml/kg in 3 hours.

he took 7.5 times the normal rate and in a much less time period. so what are you talking about?

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this guy over here blowing up his dogs by pumping them full of 10 times the normal limit for human dehydration. yeah floyd was just mildly dehydrated and thats why he needed 7.5 times the norm for severe dehydration. it all adds up nothing to see here! you guys are just haters!

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what he did was cheating though. its like saying if the jury says tank is not guilty then he's not guilty. does the decision rendered change what actually happened? did tank not grab the woman? no. it still happened. if you look at the reasons for the tue. they are nonsensical. you shouldn't go by what the agency that was captured says. sometimes you have to make up your own mind. there was no reason for the IV. if you look further into the payments that floyd paid them you can see there was regulatory capture and these were just the payments that were disclosed. who knows what went on behind the scenes. maybe nothing but even the stuff we know is damning.

That’s fine bro, I respect your opinion on it and won’t argue it. I did say it was jarring and weird.