How Canelo was too green for Floyd?

[daggum]

I don’t know any of this. If u know things I’d love to hear it? What was he taking then? Doses? I should be able to tell who’s on gear better than all these “inexperienced” experts, but honestly I find it very hard to tell. It’s weird. How much gear can all these lighter weights be taking and not blow through the divisions? The stuff isn’t a magic pill of talent or injection of skill. I mean these guys get bone dry and bust front double bicep poses at the weighins, which would show off any gyno. But I’m amazed at how u never see it. Maybe they have their anti estrogens down. But they test for those too. When Fernando Vargas took his shirt off and flexed vs ODLH and was in much better shape than he ever was before I figured he was on something. The biggest tell a guy is on something is them posting a pic of themselves flexing, because they can’t help it. I think people who have never tried it are the ones who promote how great it makes u the most. The stuff is everywhere and costs peanuts. So what is everyone waiting for? I’m not trying to blow u up. I just honestly think it’s very hard to tell in boxing as everyone is trying to keep their weight down. Heavyweights I’m sure it’s more often. I know it’s used. But how does every fan know so much when ex trainers and managers don’t even come out? I know my stuff and I’m not that concerned about it, if that puts it in perspective? Once they called them “PEDS” it was the best promotion they ever could have given them. They are so bad because they work so great said sum guy who never tried them. Only millions at stake here. Saying everyone’s on them doesn’t help either. Eventually we will all have implants in our heads anyway. Guys get drilled in the cup multiple times with no warning or point deduction. Guys sneak in shots to the refs blind side. No one cares. Let’s put things into perspective.

well you seem to be more of an expert than me. i just know floyd flushed his system with iv fluid and got away with it through the use of tue's which shouldn't have been approved but were because floyd is the guy who paid them 10 times more than he should have. the only reason it was approved was he had a "phsyical ailment" which is so vague and can apply to anything. its laughable. you dont need to do that if you are on the up and up. its possible he was just using the iv's to artificially bulk up after the weigh in but that is also illegal in boxing so there is no real reason he should have done that. im not even a big ped detractor. im mostly responding to the ped crusaders who pretended they cared about ped's for years and years because they thought pac was on ped's which he probably was but when the most precise evidence of any ped use comes out and its against floyd they pretend that they no longer care/its not real.

[MEXICAN STYLE]

I wouldn't say that Alvarez was green yet screwed up when he tried to outbox Mayweather instead of trying to "incapacitate" Floyd

[Outworn]

Not only was Canelo green, he was also drained. Pooloyd fought Drainelo

[Blond Beast]

well you seem to be more of an expert than me. i just know floyd flushed his system with iv fluid and got away with it through the use of tue's which shouldn't have been approved but were because floyd is the guy who paid them 10 times more than he should have. the only reason it was approved was he had a "phsyical ailment" which is so vague and can apply to anything. its laughable. you dont need to do that if you are on the up and up. its possible he was just using the iv's to artificially bulk up after the weigh in but that is also illegal in boxing so there is no real reason he should have done that. im not even a big ped detractor. im mostly responding to the ped crusaders who pretended they cared about ped's for years and years because they thought pac was on ped's which he probably was but when the most precise evidence of any ped use comes out and its against floyd they pretend that they no longer care/its not real.

I read ur posts, I have no problem learning something new or being humbled. I think manny was prolly on winny at one point, I could see sum differences. Im pretty positive JMM who used to lift rocks, drink his own urine, and eat quale eggs was on Gear when he showed up in his best physique vs Manny. In today’s age an IV isn’t going to dilute the system enough to hide any roid metabolites. U could pound a few litres of water and vitamins and that’d bring u up to the same as an IV though it would take longer to absorb. Remember “picograms”. Still I know there’s sum ways to help u beat less precise tests like in a work place, and dilution plus adding tons of other stuff can help. But diuretics are what’s used to flush the system, also sometimes used to beat tests, but not ideal post weigh in. When I was in university they’d test ( nobody ever got tested ) ur testosterone to epitestosterone ratio and if it was over a certain threshold it was up to you to prove why. A lot of organizations allowed a pretty high ratio as a lot of people are different. But then athletes were just taking stuff to the point The were just bumping next to the limit. So I think it changed. Cycling is a drug heavy sport, anyone in the scene knew Lance was on something, they all were. So they still knew he was the best cause he did it six times, and weren’t eager to spill the beans and damage the sport. They respected him for his talent I’m sure. Hearing him denounce it made me cringe, but what else was he supposed to do? If Floyd was a blatant two face liar than yeah that’s extra lame, but he’s also the face of the sport, so what to do? But did he ever really get caught? Or penalized? If ur not cheating ur not trying hard enough? Heck I was complaining about Tank showing up late to the weigh and the confusion over why he was fined? So I understand. I’d like everything to be relative. I know the richest cab bribe and cover up but that’s hard to avoid. I’d rather everything be legal so the ones with the most stroke don’t get an advantage. But then again it would take a long period of abuse and harm before things evened out and gear wasent regarded as the holy grail. Course they could invent something else in the meantime. I have no real answers. I believe Canelo was on Clen because he posted a pic of himself in great condition while flexing. That’s my best litmus test. Go figure.

[Richard]

Of course, Saul has become better since 2013, but lets not act as if his age and lack of experince were the main factors that enabled Floyd's lopsided win. The different in skills was the main factor of Floyd schooling Canelo so badly + his style being the hardest one for Canelo - he always looked less than impressive against slick boxers and always will

100%.Saul is a decent fighter and like you have said has got better but I remember at the time after watching the Saul Alvarez v Floyd Mayweather bout feeling disappointed with Sauls performance.

[hugh grant]

Nel o was the Deontay wilder of mexico. 100 fights against nobodies. Plus cw.

[The tucker]

and this ^^

if the ages were reversed, the usual muppets would say that Mayweather only fights old men

actually, they would have insisted Floyd waited for him to get old

Exactly they know what they are doing.

[BoomBapTrap]

and you think Cotto wanted to fight at 145... ?

you guys are just butthurt whiney bltches

You think Josie Harris wanted to fight at 145? When she only weighed 125? Huh?

U think Josie Harris wanted to get beat down by Floyd in front of her children?

[aboutfkntime]

did you ignore my last post or something? i just said cotto didnt want to fight at 145. thats called a straw man look it up. its not the same thing though and it never will be no matter how much you cry. they both take away from the credibility of the victory but floyds is obviously less credible and you are talking about steroids? floyd is the only one to get caught and need a tue after paying off the testing organization 150k so yeah once again with the false equivalencies. you are runnning those hard tonight i see. is this false equivalency remembrance day or something?

HOW ???

Canelo is clearly better than Cotto

and it wasn't just the catchweight... Pac fought Cotto when he was at the lowest point in his career, AND Pac was juicing

explain to me how Canelo is worse than Cotto ?

you fanboys totally ignored the mountain of evidence against Pac, but then invented ridiculous stories about Mayweather over a one-off situation that was SUPERVISED by USADA

you clowns do not even seem to realize that Mayweather wins by technique/skill, not volume/power... steroids will not help one little bit with technique/skill

you muppets blame a guy who always insisted on testing, after totally ignoring a guy who ducked testing for YEARS...

and you still cannot explain how Manny jumped THREE divisions in 9 months, and miraculously turned into a 1200+ punch fighter

oh, and then miraculously turned back into a normal 400-500 punch fighter when it can time to test LMAO

give it a rest, that ret4rded pac-rubbish has never worked, why would it start working now?

like I said, if pacfans had the slightest clue they would STFU about steroids and catchweights

[aboutfkntime]

You think Josie Harris wanted to fight at 145? When she only weighed 125? Huh?

U think Josie Harris wanted to get beat down by Floyd in front of her children?

Pac would never have beaten Josie, because she would never have agreed to a catchweight

we wouldn't be joking that Pac got Horn'd... we would be joking that he got Josie'd