Analysing all GGG's world titles

[emceetns]

he sure capitulated from being a titleholder, not sure what other meaning you read into that statement about being champion.

reading it as "didnt quit on his stool" stinks of avoidance. Sounds like Amir Khan saying "I'd rather get knocked out"

The meaning I read was that you're saying he gave up vs. losing a close decision. I haven't heard "capitulate" used in the context you used it but ok.

[emceetns]

I dont need to look at boxrec to know that titles are won in the ring.

Titles should be defended in the ring too. It's not GGG's fault that those guys essentially chose to hand over the titles. To Canelo's credit, he did eventually fight Golovkin but he could have fought him even sooner if he really wanted to.

[DreamFighter]

Titles should be defended in the ring too. It's not GGG's fault that those guys essentially chose to hand over the titles.

sturm lost it to geale, this is not handing over the title.
Geale chose Mundine because the rugby player part time boxer was a much bigger earner than GGG. This is not handing over the title. In fact Geale turned up to face him for it.

Did Martinez and Cotto hand over their titles too, or what it GGG that waited till he was 34 to climb in the ring when a shyt titlist came along like Lemieux?

What IS handing over the title is the governing bodies giving them to GGG - because that way he would lose them after facing more than 1 top contender as he does in real life.

Deal with real life not your dreams. Now if GGG can prove he can beat more than one top contender and still keep a title I will change my tune, but till then, you accept reality.

To Canelo's credit, he did eventually fight Golovkin but he could have fought him even sooner if he really wanted to.

ah so, the guy who fought mayweather and unified at LMW was avoiding a guy who had only just won a title in the ring that year. ok, put down the pipe..

[Citizen Koba]

sturm lost it to geale, this is not handing over the title.
Geale chose Mundine because the rugby player part time boxer was a much bigger earner than GGG. This is not handing over the title. In fact Geale turned up to face him for it.

Did Martinez and Cotto hand over their titles too, or what it GGG that waited till he was 34 to climb in the ring when a shyt titlist came along like Lemieux?

What IS handing over the title is the governing bodies giving them to GGG - because that way he would lose them after facing more than 1 top contender as he does in real life.

Deal with real life not your dreams. Now if GGG can prove he can beat more than one top contender and still keep a title I will change my tune, but till then, you accept reality.

ah so, the guy who fought mayweather and unified at LMW was avoiding a guy who had only just won a title in the ring that year. ok, put down the pipe..

You say 'waited' like Golovkin had the option of facing an incumbent tilist earlier. Can you provide the name of this titlist that GGG could have fought?

And I'm just curious whether you disregard all WBA 'regular' titlists or those elevated from interim status, or is it just GGG?

Do you want a list of 'em?

[hhh1200]

Take away Canelo and Wilder has a better resume than GGG. Crawford solid, just ask the men in the sport. in any sport skill recognizes skill. PBC fighters know exactly what he is. Crawford bum comments are funny though

Crawford stops Thurman
Crawford beats Porter similar to Horn
Crawford will punish Danny (I need 10 mil to fight him plus upside, LOL) like he did Felix Diaz just for Angel talking ******
Crawford too skills for Strap Season in TX

Thank you Al Haymon for robbery fans. Crawford would be 2x undisputed fighter.

[DreamFighter]

You say 'waited' like Golovkin had the option of facing an incumbent tilist earlier. Can you provide the name of this titlist that GGG could have fought?

And I'm just curious whether you disregard all WBA 'regular' titlists or those elevated from interim status, or is it just GGG?

Do you want a list of 'em?

of course there is only one world title from any governing body, this should be without question, lists are redundant.
Noone needs to disregard a reg, its simply not valid when theres a real title.

[DreamFighter]

Take away Canelo and Wilder has a better resume than GGG.

k the other extreme is just as untrue.

[Citizen Koba]

of course there is only one world title from any governing body, this should be without question, lists are redundant.
Noone needs to disregard a reg, its simply not valid when theres a real title.

By that token it is valid when there isn't a more highly regarded tile by the same organisation then? I couldn't agree more. That's what I've been saying all along.

Furthermore I don't recall folk drawing a particular distinction between titles won off a titleholder and those gained through elevation from interim status in the past... guys such as Jean Pascal, Keth Thurman, Marcos Maidana and Erislandy Lara under the WBA or Roy Jones or Sergio Martinez under the WBC... to name just some.

I'm curious why you're particularly interested in making this distinction for Gennady Golovkin?

And once again this question of intent. Seems to me you repeatedly imply or assert that GGGs failure to fight a World title holder prior to Lemieux was a matter of deliberate choice when it's on record that the WBA actually elevated Sturm (out of the ring incidentally) following a rules change when Golovkin was due his mandatory challenge. It's also a matter of record that the Pirog fight was actually signed, even though Dmitry was subsequently stripped of the title.

Funny thing is I ain't even bothered whether you like GGG or even think he's particularly good or had a particularly good career (IMO his actuall accomplishments have fallen somewhat short of his ability but that's just opinion), but I like to think folk are gonna be consistent when they critique a fighters career whereas it does kinda appear that you're going out of your way to select information that paints this particular fighters accomplishments (such as they are) in an unfavourable light. Would you say that's correct or do you believe you're being objective when it comes to GGG? Genuinely curious here.

[QueensburyRules]

Titles should be defended in the ring too. It's not GGG's fault that those guys essentially chose to hand over the titles. To Canelo's credit, he did eventually fight Golovkin but he could have fought him even sooner if he really wanted to.

- -Not really.

Canelo was in the middle of a civil suit with massive financial repercussions.

Fact-GGG majorly FAILED when he petitioned to get Canelo suspended by Vegas over ghost nanograms of a legal substance found in the Mexican food chain that didn't even meet VADA fail standards.

GGG don't deserve the trilogy, and I say that as a fan of both. He was ill advised by Loeffler to now pay the price fighting duds.

[Citizen Koba]

Take away Canelo and Wilder has a better resume than GGG. Crawford solid, just ask the men in the sport. in any sport skill recognizes skill. PBC fighters know exactly what he is. Crawford bum comments are funny though

Crawford stops Thurman
Crawford beats Porter similar to Horn
Crawford will punish Danny (I need 10 mil to fight him plus upside, LOL) like he did Felix Diaz just for Angel talking ******
Crawford too skills for Strap Season in TX

Thank you Al Haymon for robbery fans. Crawford would be 2x undisputed fighter.

Flat wrong. Compare the rankings of their opponents. The number of top 10 and top 5 guys in their division each has faced. Even removing Canelo it ain't particularly close.

What I do tend to notice however is folk tend to regard the names they recognise and have seen fight and be built up more highly than those they don't and it's a simple fact that during a large chunck of Golovkins career the highly ranked contenders and challengers at MW were non-American whereas Wilders opponents even though they were less highly ranked would at least mostly have been familiar names to the US audience.