Wilder Fury II for the Ring title?

[Pigeons]

Tyson Fury is the lineal champion. It will be nice to have the RING and TBRB lineages tied to the true HW lineage again, but Fury's been lineal champ for over four years now.

[Pigeons]

It's funny when one is nerding through boxrec how often you come across the note "IBO title not on the line as variable boxer x didn't want to pay sanctioning fees"

As a BoxRec nerd, I see that quite often.

[Kezzer]

Personally I think the ring should have been on the line a long time back and should be in the hands of Joshua after probably the fight against Parker which made the most sense at the time.

Having said that, the fact it wasn’t means this fight does make sense to put it on the line because it’s unlikely Joshua will fight the winner in 2020 anyway.

It would be better for increasing chances of a undisputed anyway given Joshua holds four belts to wilders one at the moment (and fury having none), so would help balance it out a little.

[N/A]

So why do you use boxrec rankings to support your arguments when it suits you.

I use Boxrec as independent unbiased ratings. I think others should as well, but I can't force them to. The lineal title is a media creation and a tool used to give the media's opinion added weight. The media isn't going to give up their power in favor of Boxrec. The media, and the fans, have decided Wilder and Fury are the clear #1 and #2. They just can't agree on which of them is #1. So now that they're fighting each other, there will be a consensus #1.

YOU WON'T BE CALLING THEM LINEAL WILL YOU?

This is a great example of why you're the worst poster of the decade. Your arguments never make any sense. The winner will be the lineal champion whether I like it or not. I don't recognize the WBO as a world title, but I still call the WBO champion the WBO champion and I will call the lineal champion the lineal champion whether I value the lineal championship or not.

[Marchegiano]

I use Boxrec as independent unbiased ratings. I think others should as well, but I can't force them to. The lineal title is a media creation and a tool used to give the media's opinion added weight. The media isn't going to give up their power in favor of Boxrec. The media, and the fans, have decided Wilder and Fury are the clear #1 and #2. They just can't agree on which of them is #1. So now that they're fighting each other, there will be a consensus #1.




This is a great example of why you're the worst poster of the decade. Your arguments never make any sense. The winner will be the lineal champion whether I like it or not. I don't recognize the WBO as a world title, but I still call the WBO champion the WBO champion and I will call the lineal champion the lineal champion whether I value the lineal championship or not.

It's kind of Tyson Fury's title alone.

I mean, I've spoken to lineal for years and years prior to Fury. No one gave a piss. Like maybe ten or so guys from three different forums, one of them being so historically driven IBRO authors post and share info there.

Just not much interest really, no one really cared about the truth of how boxing used to be ran before the sanctioning bodies until Fury claimed it.

Today folks argue over Ali's lineal run, but, Ali never did, his press never did, his fans never did, his era gave no ****s.

Ring crowning Wlad with lineal honors happened quietly as ****. No one gave a ****, Ring and the real belts is what they spoke about.

Everything in between in the same.

That's why so many people argue about what lineal is in the first place. They didn't know, they got interested because Fury ran his mouth, and they quickly cobbled together a poor idea of what lineal is meant to be.


It was as dead a title as the bodies had planned it to be until Fury was stripped of his Ring title and claimed his lineal title instead.


The media, let's be honest, is just a bunch of fairies with creative writing degrees that mostly failed down into boxing journalism. They don't know they **** they are talking about, nor do they care. Their motives is eyes and if they say **** their fans are saying but in prettier words that's those eyes captured.

I don't blame or credit the media or fans for lineal being discussed again, that was 100% Mister Fury.

[N/A]

It's kind of Tyson Fury's title alone.

Well you're leaving out a crucial element. It's very rare to have a lineal heavyweight champion who doesn't also have at least one recognized world heavyweight title belt.

It's only during those rare times that anybody talks about, or cares about, the lineal title.

When Arum had Foreman duck all top contenders and give up the WBA and IBF titles in the process, there was a reason to market the lineal title. It was all he had. Once he loses to Briggs and Briggs loses to Lewis, decades went by without a "lineal only" heavyweight champion.

And it is those "lineal only" heavyweight champions that get people talking about the lineal title again, because there's no reason to talk about it when the lineal champion also has real belts.

[Marchegiano]

Well you're leaving out a crucial element. It's very rare to have a lineal heavyweight champion who doesn't also have at least one recognized world heavyweight title belt.

It's only during those rare times that anybody talks about, or cares about, the lineal title.

When Arum had Foreman duck all top contenders and give up the WBA and IBF titles in the process, there was a reason to market the lineal title. It was all he had. Once he loses to Briggs and Briggs loses to Lewis, decades went by without a "lineal only" heavyweight champion.

And it is those "lineal only" heavyweight champions that get people talking about the lineal title again, because there's no reason to talk about it when the lineal champion also has real belts.

Yep, that's a fair as **** point, thanks bud.

[Robbie Barrett]

I use Boxrec as independent unbiased ratings. I think others should as well, but I can't force them to. The lineal title is a media creation and a tool used to give the media's opinion added weight. The media isn't going to give up their power in favor of Boxrec. The media, and the fans, have decided Wilder and Fury are the clear #1 and #2. They just can't agree on which of them is #1. So now that they're fighting each other, there will be a consensus #1.




This is a great example of why you're the worst poster of the decade. Your arguments never make any sense. The winner will be the lineal champion whether I like it or not. I don't recognize the WBO as a world title, but I still call the WBO champion the WBO champion and I will call the lineal champion the lineal champion whether I value the lineal championship or not.

No they won't you imbecile. To create lineal you need #1 vs #2, the rankings YOU follow don't have either fighter #1. So they can't be lineal. If YOU call them lineal you have no credibility. Dig your hole clown.

[N/A]

To create lineal you need #1 vs #2

The world has decided Wilder and Fury is #1 vs #2.

the rankings YOU follow don't have either fighter #1.

I am not the world.

[TMLT87]

Your list is inaccurate. Parker isn't in the top 10. Neither is Hunter. Chisora is. Who cares if Joshua has fought more top 10 guys if one of them just made him quit. Also, fighting a top 5 opponent a second time is more impressive than fighting #10 for the first time. So you're all over the place here.

Not sure what rankings you're looking at. But even if we go along with the notion that Chisora is a top 10 HW, you're going back literally 5 years to bring up a supposed current top 10 HW outside of Wilder that Fury faced.

As for Wilder facing top 5 guys multiple times. I dont think Ortiz was actually in the top 5 when Wilder first fought him, at least not in Ring magazine. Iirc he started going up the rankings solely because Joshua was beating the guys ranked higher than him. What has Ortiz actually done anyway? his big wins are Jennings, Tony Thompson and Malik Scott in 2015/16. Since then the guy has been alternating between fighting guys like Cojanu and getting sparked by Wilder. And its debateable that Fury should have been put back in the top 10 at the time of the Wilder fight too. All he'd done since his comeback was look crap against Seferi and Pianeta, he was ranked in the top 10 purely off what he'd done 3+ years earlier before he "retired" and ballooned up to 400lbs. Even now hes done **** all outside of the Wilder fight. As if top 5 level HWs usually fight guys like Otto Wallin and Tom Schwarz....