For all you guys that love the amateurs, L. Ortiz was 343-19

[Lopez_Boxing]

Rigondeaux amateur record 374 wins and 12 losses, 2X olympic gold medalist. But when Loma beat his asss and made him QUIT he all of a sudden was a bum.

I'm sure race didnt have anything to do with that!

Funny how that works when its a white guy instead huh

Smh. Who claimed Rigo was a bum? As i recall everyone blamed the loss on the weight jump.

[kafkod]

But because there's an intentional effort to undermine Wilders' resume and accomplishments they label Ortiz a bum.

But these same guys are quick to mention Usyk, Loma, Beterbiev, etc amateur backgrounds as proof they're tremendous fighters.

The same guys that praise Usyk for his 335-15 amateur record, call Ortiz a bum with 343-19 amateur record all with the hopes of undermining Wilder.

Of course race plays no part.

Race is obviously your only motivation for starting this thread, otherwise you wouldn't even be talking about it while ignoring the real and important boxing differences between Usyk, Loma, Beterbiev, and Luis Ortiz.

As amateurs, Usyk, Loma, and Beterbiev all won either world championships, Olympic gold medals, or both, in the case of Loma and Usyk.

Ortiz won neither and never even qualified for the Olympics.

Ortiz was a decent amateur, Usyk, Loma, and Beterbiev were elite amateurs. Loma is arguably the amateur ATG.

Another important difference is the time factor. Right now, as pros, Usyk, Loma, and Beterbiev are still in their fighting primes. Ortiz isn't.

Apparently, the only difference you can see between those 4 guys is their race. My advice to you is to take the plank out of your own eye before you start trying to take the speck out of somebody else's.

[Lopez_Boxing]

I'm talking about race because when given the following characteristics:

Amateur record
Pro record/resume
KO %
Championship belts
Multiple weight classes
Etc

Depending the fighters race, dictates who cheers for them as proven by these posters post history. You can take 2 boxers, one black and one white, with the SAME EXACT credentials and the SAME usual suspects will undermine the black fighter and rationalize and find excuses to cheer for the white fighter with the same exact stats/credentials.... Actually, I take that back, many times, the white fighter will have inadequate credentials compared to the black fighter and somehow these same posters find a way to justify it.

Of course race plays a role. And you guys that say you don't see color are straight liars. If you didn't, you'd be running every red light.

Loma's was 396-1 2X olympic gold medlist
Pro record 14-1-10kos
Made 4 champions quit in a row. Amongst other historical accomplishments, But people call him a hype job and a bum.

It seems mostly davis fans. Why you think that is

Btw im cuban i dont have a dog in this fight. Just calling it fair across the board

[dannnnn]

Ortiz was not a bum, his amateur pedigree and technical superiority over Wilder were clearly evident. The criticism about Ortiz lies in the fact that he is old. Too damn old.

However, as someone who is critical of Wilder's (lack of) opposition, it's not the Ortiz fights on his resume that I have a problem with. Even at his age Ortiz would be more than a handful for anyone in the division and I give credit to Wilder for actually giving him an opportunity for a big fight when nobody else of any worth wants anything to do with him.

My issue with Wilder is that besides just two good fighters (Ortiz and Fury) his record is padded with bums. Lots and lots of bums.

[kafkod]

I 100% condone this thread.

Ortiz is a legit fighter. Was a legit boogeyman for a long time.

Wilder beats him then all I hear about is Bryant Jennings over and over and over....

Correction .. Ortiz was a legit boogeyman a long time ago.

5 years is a hell of a long time for a 40+ year old boxer.

[Inspired]

can someone tell me why ortiz took so long to move to the pros? Joe Joyce, Usyk and Loma are examples of great amateurs who took too long to get move to pro level. I'll never really understand it when there's no money at the amateur level.

[GGG Gloveking]

I certainly agree that Ortiz gets sheit on, and many people contradict themselves in things like this, but I don't think it's racial. I don't think they're just sheitting on Ortiz because of his pigment.

I say that because most of the people sheitting on Ortiz, are hyping up AJ. I can't say, "you're racist for sheitting on a black man, while boosting up another black man." It's tribalist, and "nationalist." It's US vs UK, moreso than black vs white.

[nixxter]

Ortiz never even qualified for the Olympics and achieved nothing internationally. The furthest he got was World Championship quarterfinals. To get some idea about his level in the amateurs lets compare him to Kubrat Pulev who was an average amateur. Ortiz lost 5 times to Solis, Pulev beat Solis once out of 5. Ortiz lost to Alexander Povernov (not Povetkin as often speculated), whom both Pulev and his little brother Tervel Pulev beat. Both Pulev and Ortiz played in the 2005 World Championship in China, Pulev won a bronze medal, Ortiz was a quarter-finalist.

That's Ortiz compared to Pulev. Compare him to Povetkin and it's not even close. Povetkin was Olympic champion, World champion, two time European champion and multiple times Russian champion and beat all the best amateurs of his time and avenged all his 7 losses.

Comparing Ortiz to Loma, Usyk, etc. is ridiculous.

[SplitSecond]

The same guys that praise Usyk for his 335-15 amateur record, call Ortiz a bum with 343-19 amateur record all with the hopes of undermining Wilder.

Of course race plays no part.

Broner’s amateur record is supposedly 300-19. Unless they were olympic medalists i.e fought and beat the best guys, don’t pay attention to that.

[KillaMane26]

I dont think its racial but moreso hate/dislike towards Wilder.

Dudes act like he wasn't the boogeyman or ranked very high at heavyweight at one point.
Why would they admit anything that will make Wilder look good??

Their narrative is Ortiz is a bum with high blood pressure overrated by Wilder Fans, even tho if Joshua knocked him out they would have ate it up and licked every finger