Comments Thread For: Wilder-Fury II: The End To The Lineal Championship Debate

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Fury said Wlad was old and near retirement before that fight. You can't have it both ways.

Wlad was clearly psyched out in that fight. Fury ran from the rematch and retired because Wlad started to finally unload in the final round and catch Fury. The Wlad who fought AJ was way better. If you can't see the difference, it's because you don't want to.

“Way better”😂😂😂 how delusional...

I actually think you’re trolling.

But let’s look at the facts...

Wlad was active and the reigning, defending HW champion who was undefeated in 10 years when he fought Fury. On top of that the fight was in Germany. That’s all factual.

Fury was a 7/2 underdog.

Fury absolutely schooled Wlad beating him by a UD.

Against AJ, Wlad was nearly 2 years older, hadn’t fought for 18 months, and was coming off a one sided loss to Fury. Again all factual.

AJ was a 2/5 favourite.

AJ got dropped and went life and death with that version of Wlad but fair play to him, he got off the floor and one.

It’s beyond obvious who fought the better version of Wlad and who dealt with him more impressively. And that’s Tyson Fury.

But hey fanboys are gonna fanboy and we can all see what you are.

[Roberto Vasquez]

“Way better”������ how delusional...

I actually think you’re trolling.

But let’s look at the facts...

Wlad was active and the reigning, defending HW champion who was undefeated in 10 years when he fought Fury. On top of that the fight was in Germany. That’s all factual.

Fury was a 7/2 underdog.

Fury absolutely schooled Wlad beating him by a UD.

Against AJ, Wlad was nearly 2 years older, hadn’t fought for 18 months, and was coming off a one sided loss to Fury. Again all factual.

AJ was a 2/5 favourite.

AJ got dropped and went life and death with that version of Wlad but fair play to him, he got off the floor and one.

It’s beyond obvious who fought the better version of Wlad and who dealt with him more impressively. And that’s Tyson Fury.

But hey fanboys are gonna fanboy and we can all see what you are.

It was a greater achievement for Fury to beat Wlad then but you're missing the point - Wlad didn't perform against Fury. He did against AJ. Wlad was over-cautious the whole Fury fight. That's why Fury ran from the rematch - because next time Wlad wasnt going to be cautious.

I forgot what the point of this discussion is - are you trying to say Fury is better than AJ? Seems unlikely given AJ is fighting top 10 opposition and Fury ran from the immediate Wilder rematch to fight outside the top-20 opposition. Wilder will knock Fury out in their next fight and Fury will retire. Fury would have taken the rematch straight away if he thought he was going to win. Those 2 bums he fought are not good preperation for a top-level fighter in Wilder.

Then you can become a fanboy of Wilder who will be the new Lineal champion.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

It was a greater achievement for Fury to beat Wlad then but you're missing the point - Wlad didn't perform against Fury. He did against AJ. Wlad was over-cautious the whole Fury fight. That's why Fury ran from the rematch - because next time Wlad wasnt going to be cautious.

I forgot what the point of this discussion is - are you trying to say Fury is better than AJ? Seems unlikely given AJ is fighting top 10 opposition and Fury ran from the immediate Wilder rematch to fight outside the top-20 opposition. Wilder will knock Fury out in their next fight and Fury will retire. Fury would have taken the rematch straight away if he thought he was going to win. Those 2 bums he fought are not good preperation for a top-level fighter in Wilder.

Then you can become a fanboy of Wilder who will be the new Lineal champion.

Talking about performance is a matter of OPINION.

The FACTS speak for themselves and Fury evidently beat a better version of Klitschko.

Fury facing Wilder in the US and Wlad in Germany is far more impressive than anything on AJ’s resume.

Now him and Wilder are fighting for the lineal HW title as they are 1 and 2. The two best HW’s in the world are in the biggest HW fight of 2020. And whether you like it or not AJ isn’t involved.

Truth hurts fanboy...

[famicommander]

The last time we saw the real Wlad was 2014 against Pulev. Anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves.

The ghost of Wlad managed to barely fend off Bryant Jennings, lost wide to Fury, and took Joshua life and death coming off an 18 month retirement.

[Roberto Vasquez]

Talking about performance is a matter of OPINION.

The FACTS speak for themselves and Fury evidently beat a better version of Klitschko.

Fury facing Wilder in the US and Wlad in Germany is far more impressive than anything on AJ’s resume.

Now him and Wilder are fighting for the lineal HW title as they are 1 and 2. The two best HW’s in the world are in the biggest HW fight of 2020. And whether you like it or not AJ isn’t involved.

Truth hurts fanboy...

How can Fury be the no. 1 HW when he hasn't beaten a top 20 fighter in 4 years?

Fury's top 3 wins (after 12 years as a pro) : 1. An old Wlad (4 years ago). 2. Chisora (gatekeeper fighter) . 3. Chisora

If that was AJ with that record after 5 more years (to equal Fury's time as a pro) you would be mocking him

I agree Wilder is probably the no.1 heavyweight but he still hasn't proved it after 40+ fights. Again why?? The best guy on his record is a 39/40 year old Ortiz. Ortiz *was* a good fighter but nothing special.

This is why I like AJ so far because he always fights the top guys and when Ruiz beat him he went straight back in with him. AJ is at least the no.2 HW. You can't complain about his record because he's only 24 fights in. For the time in his career - his record is superb.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

How can Fury be the no. 1 HW when he hasn't beaten a top 20 fighter in 4 years?

Fury's top 3 wins (after 12 years as a pro) : 1. An old Wlad (4 years ago). 2. Chisora (gatekeeper fighter) . 3. Chisora

If that was AJ with that record after 5 more years (to equal Fury's time as a pro) you would be mocking him

I agree Wilder is probably the no.1 heavyweight but he still hasn't proved it after 40+ fights. Again why?? The best guy on his record is a 39/40 year old Ortiz. Ortiz *was* a good fighter but nothing special.

This is why I like AJ so far because he always fights the top guys and when Ruiz beat him he went straight back in with him. AJ is at least the no.2 HW. You can't complain about his record because he's only 24 fights in. For the time in his career - his record is superb.

Fury is the only guy to beat a fellow elite HW and beat the universally recognised #1 HW. Whether you like it or not Wladimir Klitschko was viewed as an elite fighter when Fury beat him. He was top 3 P4P with both Ring and TBRB and universally recognised as the #1 HW by everyone.

When he fought AJ he was inactive and unranked.

The facts speak for themselves...

Also how did you score Wilder-Fury? Because a lot of people rank Fury #1 based on the fact that they felt he was robbed against Wilder.

AJ has had some poor opposition as well- Takam, Ruiz, Molina, Martin. He definitely has some solid wins but many of them have came against guys towards the end of their careers I.e (Wlad and Povetkin) Parker and Whyte were good wins but they are not on the level of beating Klitschko or arguably beating Wilder both from the away corner. Before the loss to Ruiz I would have considered him #2 but his loss to a guy who wasn’t ranked anywhere near the top 10 majorly hurts his claims of being ranked alongside Fury and Wilder.

None of these HW’s have deep resumes but at least Fury has an unquestionably quality win over Klitschko.

[Roberto Vasquez]

Fury is the only guy to beat a fellow elite HW and beat the universally recognised #1 HW. Whether you like it or not Wladimir Klitschko was viewed as an elite fighter when Fury beat him. He was top 3 P4P with both Ring and TBRB and universally recognised as the #1 HW by everyone.

When he fought AJ he was inactive and unranked.

The facts speak for themselves...

Also how did you score Wilder-Fury? Because a lot of people rank Fury #1 based on the fact that they felt he was robbed against Wilder.

AJ has had some poor opposition as well- Takam, Ruiz, Molina, Martin. He definitely has some solid wins but many of them have came against guys towards the end of their careers I.e (Wlad and Povetkin) Parker and Whyte were good wins but they are not on the level of beating Klitschko or arguably beating Wilder both from the away corner. Before the loss to Ruiz I would have considered him #2 but his loss to a guy who wasn’t ranked anywhere near the top 10 majorly hurts his claims of being ranked alongside Fury and Wilder.

None of these HW’s have deep resumes but at least Fury has an unquestionably quality win over Klitschko.

I thought Fury did great to beat Klitchko but Klitchko went in for the rematch and Fury promptly retired. Why? Because we all knew Wlad wasn't going to be cautious the next fight. Not to mention Fury's PED ban.

I think Wilder/ Fury draw was a fair result. Like Fury said before the fight "If i get caught on the chin by that windmiller I deserve to lose". You can't get knocked down twice away from home and run away the whole fight and expect the judges to give it to you. And Wilder is still unproven. It's easy to hide behind a big punch until you fight the top fighters. Got no idea why he fought Ortiz again. Would be like AJ fighting Povetkin again.

AJ's record is as you say but the fact is AJ has a *great* record after 23 fights (Or however many it is) and he has 3 belts. Fury and Wilder have 1 belt between them and have been around for 5 years longer and they are also fighting similar opposition. That should tell you something about them...

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

I thought Fury did great to beat Klitchko but Klitchko went in for the rematch and Fury promptly retired. Why? Because we all knew Wlad wasn't going to be cautious the next fight. Not to mention Fury's PED ban.

I think Wilder/ Fury draw was a fair result. Like Fury said before the fight "If i get caught on the chin by that windmiller I deserve to lose". You can't get knocked down twice away from home and run away the whole fight and expect the judges to give it to you. And Wilder is still unproven. It's easy to hide behind a big punch until you fight the top fighters. Got no idea why he fought Ortiz again. Would be like AJ fighting Povetkin again.

AJ's record is as you say but the fact is AJ has a *great* record after 23 fights (Or however many it is) and he has 3 belts. Fury and Wilder have 1 belt between them and have been around for 5 years longer and they are also fighting similar opposition. That should tell you something about them...

It was because of the UKAD situation nothing to do with the rematch. Fury beats Wlad again, styles make fights. Wlad is always cautious, if he can’t land the jab he doesn’t throw the right hand or left hook because he hasn’t found the range. It’s common sense.

That’s not how boxing works. We score fights round by round. Knockdowns are only valuable to the extent of one point. Did you actually score the fight?

Number of fights are irrelevant, look at JCC or Canelo. It’s about who you fight not how many fights. Completely irrelevant.

Honestly mate you’re just regurgitating the same BS Hearn and Sky spew out. You really need to educate yourself on the sport.

[Roberto Vasquez]

It was because of the UKAD situation nothing to do with the rematch. Fury beats Wlad again, styles make fights. Wlad is always cautious, if he can’t land the jab he doesn’t throw the right hand or left hook because he hasn’t found the range. It’s common sense.

That’s not how boxing works. We score fights round by round. Knockdowns are only valuable to the extent of one point. Did you actually score the fight?

Number of fights are irrelevant, look at JCC or Canelo. It’s about who you fight not how many fights. Completely irrelevant.

Honestly mate you’re just regurgitating the same BS Hearn and Sky spew out. You really need to educate yourself on the sport.

I have no contact with Sky and rarely watch Hearn videos. They are my own opinions. For me it's obvious if a fighter has 40+ fights and the best fighter he has beaten is a 39/40 year old Ortiz (who hasn't beaten anyone himself) then there is some kind of issue there.

As for Fury - he hasn't beaten a top 20 opponent in 4 years. That fight could have gone either way. If you fight in a champions backyard you need to take the belt away from him - not run and fall on your back twice. There was 14 punches in it. Not enough.

Joshua pretty much only fights fighters in the top 20 and usually top 10. So go figure. I agree he's not that likeable but at least he is not constantly proclaiming "I am the greatest fighter in the world" like Wilder and Fury do and then fight fighters that suggest they arent the greatest fighters in the world.

I rank the fighters at the moment

1. Wilder (but purely on speculation. He still hasn't proved it)
2. Joshua (has proved his position but clearly has a glass-jaw)
3. Fury (but may be lower since he seems to be avoiding anyone in the top 20 apart from Wilder and struggled with Wallin)

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

I have no contact with Sky and rarely watch Hearn videos. They are my own opinions. For me it's obvious if a fighter has 40+ fights and the best fighter he has beaten is a 39/40 year old Ortiz (who hasn't beaten anyone himself) then there is some kind of issue there.

As for Fury - he hasn't beaten a top 20 opponent in 4 years. That fight could have gone either way. If you fight in a champions backyard you need to take the belt away from him - not run and fall on your back twice. There was 14 punches in it. Not enough.

Joshua pretty much only fights fighters in the top 20 and usually top 10. So go figure. I agree he's not that likeable but at least he is not constantly proclaiming "I am the greatest fighter in the world" like Wilder and Fury do and then fight fighters that suggest they arent the greatest fighters in the world.

I rank the fighters at the moment

1. Wilder (but purely on speculation. He still hasn't proved it)
2. Joshua (has proved his position but clearly has a glass-jaw)
3. Fury (but may be lower since he seems to be avoiding anyone in the top 20 apart from Wilder and struggled with Wallin)

Who was JCC’s best win after 40 fights? He was 10x better than any of those 3.
This is why you need to educate yourself on the sport mate.

Compubox is just people pressing buttons and “champions advantage” is a complete and utter myth.
Go and score the fight via the 10 point must system. If you still have it a draw then fair enough but I along with many others felt Fury deserved the decision.