Comments Thread For: Wilder-Fury II: The End To The Lineal Championship Debate

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The Lineal championship hasn't meant anything for decades. Only reason we are talking about it is because Fury has to pretend he has an imaginary belt because he has no real ones.

Fury's not pretending anything. He's the man who beat the man. Of course the lineal championship is discussed more when it splinters from the sanctioning body championships.

It's debatable if Fury even still 'holds' the lineal title. First he retired and he was also banned for drug use.

It's not debatable that he still holds Wladimir's lineage. You can debate if he should still be recognized as "lineal champion," but I personally care about the lineage, not the title.

He claimed the "retirement" was a joke. I personally couldn't care less. Nobody established themselves as the man in his absence, so the retirement debate is irrelevant.

As for the drug test, that might be relevant if it was for the Wladimir fight, but it wasn't. So it has nothing to do with anything.

[Real King Kong]

Maybe in the eyes of UK fanboys, but even then they'd still make excuses. The general consensus is that Wilder and Fury are the top two and Joshua is #3. Joshua just got knocked down four times and quit. Then ran away the entire time during the rematch. Fury and Wilder don't need to beat Joshua to be the man in most people's eyes. In UK eyes, sure.

Maybe not to become the ring champion, but to create a new lineage, they gotta unify the belts. If fury is still “lineal champion”, then it doesn’t really matter.

Interesting to see you suddenly have interest in the lineal title after bashing it in favour or the sanctioning body belts...which Joshua has.

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Maybe not to become the ring champion, but to create a new lineage, they gotta unify the belts.

That's never how it's worked.

The very idea of a lineal title is to ignore the belts.

You fill a lineal vacancy when the consensus 1 and 2 fight each other, regardless of any belts.

Fury and Wilder are the consensus 1 and 2, whether UK fanboys like it or not.

Or whether even I like it or not.

I am not a supporter of the lineal title, but unlike UK fanboys, I can speak honestly about things I'm not a fan of and don't have to lie about something just because it's not my favorite.

I've made it very clear over the years that I believe the WBC belt is the true world championship and if UK fanboys weren't such hypocrites, they would agree.

If the BBBoC is the real British title and the EBU is the real European title, then the WBC should be considered the real world title in the eyes of UK fans. After all, the BBBoC and EBU created and founded the WBC to be the one true world title, just as they'd created the one true British title and one true European title.

[Real King Kong]

That's never how it's worked.

The very idea of a lineal title is to ignore the belts.

You fill a lineal vacancy when the consensus 1 and 2 fight each other, regardless of any belts.

Fury and Wilder are the consensus 1 and 2, whether UK fanboys like it or not.

Or whether even I like it or not.

I am not a supporter of the lineal title, but unlike UK fanboys, I can speak honestly about things I'm not a fan of and don't have to lie about something just because it's not my favorite.

I've made it very clear over the years that I believe the WBC belt is the true world championship and if UK fanboys weren't such hypocrites, they would agree.

If the BBBoC is the real British title and the EBU is the real European title, then the WBC should be considered the real world title in the eyes of UK fans. After all, the BBBoC and EBU created and founded the WBC to be the one true world title, just as they'd created the one true British title and one true European title.

Undisputed trumps all. The problem with the “lineal title” is there’s even several versions of that. Without any official ranking system, who’s ranked where is always up for debate. I personally rank wilder and fury above Joshua, but at the end of the day, they’re only fighting for 1 belt.

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Undisputed trumps all. The problem with the “lineal title” is there’s even several versions of that. Without any official ranking system, who’s ranked where is always up for debate. I personally rank wilder and fury above Joshua, but at the end of the day, they’re only fighting for 1 belt.

You're free to value whatever you wish. It doesn't change the fact that the belts have nothing to do with lineal. If you consider undisputed more prestigious than lineal, that's fine. I tend to agree with you. But that doesn't mean we can lie about how lineal is filled. It's filled when the consensus 1 and 2 fight. Regardless of any belts.

In my personal rankings, and in the personal rankings of most experts, Wilder and Fury are 1 and 2 (the order may vary).

But I still don't like personal rankings and prefer Boxrec, where Joshua is #1 and deservedly so. But I can't force the world to go by Boxrec and the media isn't going to go by something that eliminates the media's own power.

[Real King Kong]

You're free to value whatever you wish. It doesn't change the fact that the belts have nothing to do with lineal. If you consider undisputed more prestigious than lineal, that's fine. I tend to agree with you. But that doesn't mean we can lie about how lineal is filled. It's filled when the consensus 1 and 2 fight. Regardless of any belts.

In my personal rankings, and in the personal rankings of most experts, Wilder and Fury are 1 and 2 (the order may vary).

But I still don't like personal rankings and prefer Boxrec, where Joshua is #1 and deservedly so. But I can't force the world to go by Boxrec and the media isn't going to go by something that eliminates the media's own power.

well it isn't really a case of what I wish to value...undisputed takes all the guess work out of the equation. as you pointed out, there's a difference in rankings across even respected platforms, so what constitutes a consensus? it's also interesting that a concept like lineal champion, which is supposed to take out the confusion of several different ranking systems, requires some type of consensus ranking to crown a "champion".

[Roberto Vasquez]

Price is obviously telling the truth. You were PROVEN WRONG about that, just like you were PROVEN WRONG about the 100k offer being “hearsay”.

They sent an offer via email, that happens regularly you complete and utter imbecile.😂😂😂 Eddie Hearn and every other promoter make offers via email all the time. What a clown man...🤣🤣🤣

You don’t even understand how people/organisations formally communicate.🤣🤣🤣 Are you that ******????

That pathetic rebuff really made me laugh. So credit to you for your comedic value.

The offer wasn’t accepted so why would “proof of funds” or a contract be provided.

Hearn did not and has never provided “proof of funds” or a contract when an offer was not accepted (and most of those offers were probably via email&#128514 Why? Because the offer WAS NOT ACCEPTED. The AJ-Klitschko, Wilder-Whyte, and Wilder-AJ negotiations all reaffirm this.

Both Barry and Eddie Hearn have confirmed that the 50m offer was legit but it didn’t meet their criteria regarding where the fight would take place etc.

It’s not hard to understand... well it might be for a Neanderthal like you.😂😂😂

I’m pretty much done explaining stuff to you, when you’re simply not intelligent enough to understand it.

I’m probably just gonna mock and insult your ******ity from here on...👍🏻

I told you before stop trying to act tough and dramatic on an internet forum. No one cares here.

Still no evidence to prove the 50 million offer is real. And why do you want to talk about it anyway? Seems like you are obssessed by it.

Now answer my boxing question I asked you 2 posts ago or go away

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well it isn't really a case of what I wish to value...undisputed takes all the guess work out of the equation.

If the undisputed champion and lineal champion are different people, there is still confusion. Spinks wouldn't have been paid $13.5 million against Tyson otherwise.

as you pointed out, there's a difference in rankings across even respected platforms, so what constitutes a consensus?

Even though I don't have any regard for Ring Magazine, most (unfortunately) do. If Ring *and* TBRB both agree Fury & Wilder are the top two, and most other experts have them as the top two, that's going to be enough of a consensus for the media and the public.

it's also interesting that a concept like lineal champion, which is supposed to take out the confusion of several different ranking systems, requires some type of consensus ranking to crown a "champion".

Lineal isn't about clearing up confusion. You will still have confusion as the other belts will exist. Lineal is about not losing track of who is really the champion when you ignore the politics.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

I told you before stop trying to act tough and dramatic on an internet forum. No one cares here.

Still no evidence to prove the 50 million offer is real. And why do you want to talk about it anyway? Seems like you are obssessed by it.

Now answer my boxing question I asked you 2 posts ago or go away

You genuinely don’t have the intelligence to comprehend basic and conclusive information.

Mark Twain was right...

Get a life you sad little b***ard...

[Roberto Vasquez]

You genuinely don’t have the intelligence to comprehend basic and conclusive information.

Mark Twain was right...

Get a life you sad little b***ard...

And you still avoided my question. I'm guessing because it would have shown your fanboy-ism up.

Fanboys can never get their heads round the fact that if 2 decent fighters fight 10 times. It will never be 10-0 to their favourite fighter. This is the real world not some teenage fantasy.