Comments Thread For: Hearn Offers Charlo One-Fight Deal For Andrade May Unification

[yankees7448]

so when golovkin fought dom wade and kell brook in a year that andre ward proposed they fight you were ok with that right?

I already schooled you on the Ward thing. Go back and check your notes homey.

[yankees7448]

Let's assume that's true. That the average fan can't remember which Charlo is which.

THEY STILL KNOW THE CHARLOS EXIST.

Even if they can't tell one Charlo from the next, both Charlos are way more well known than Andrade.

Like comparing the Tampa Bay Rays to the Miami Marlins. One might have a stronger fan base than the other but neither has enough of a fan base to really claim bragging rights.

[yankees7448]

"the state or status of being a famous or exceptionally talented performer in the world of entertainment or sports."
Wilder is an exceptionally talented performer in the world of sports and by pretty much everybody's definition except for yours, Wilder is famous.

And this is the problem in a nutshell. Famous and exceptionally talented are incredibly vague. Avni Yildrim is ranked as a top 10 super middleweight by Ring Magazine and the WBC. Is that enough to consider him exceptionally talented or do you judge that by a subjective eyeball test. I am sure he's hot s hit in his native Turkey.

Until we agree on some set parameters on both those criteria we could literally come up with hundreds if not thousands of "stars". You have your own set of parameters I have mines. You lump popular fighters in with stars because you're too generous with how you determine someone is a star. There are a fu ckton of popular fighters. But there are only a handful of stars. How do you distinguish a popular fighter from a star? One way to do it is PPV sales. When one fighter sells PPVs on orders of magnitude greater than another fighter then you know which one is the real star and which one is just a popular fighter.

That is the definition of stardom, so no, I didn't fabricate my own definition. I didn't present that argument, therefore it's not strawman. I'm attacking an actual argument that was presented. That because Canelo did so many PPV buys, therefore Wilder can't possibly be a star.
Just because I exposed your position and made you look like an idiot doesn't mean you can make false accusations of strawman.

No you continue to fabricate an argument you claim I am making and that's why its a straw-man. Once again, there has to be a distinction between a star boxer and a popular boxer. Maybe the rise of DAZN heralds the eventual end of PPV fights. Then we'd have to come up with new metrics. Who knows? But in the meantime Deontay Wilder is not a star he's just a popular fighter. There is nothing wrong with that. 99% of the boxers in the world would love to be as popular as Wilder. The difference is that there exists that 1% of fighters who Wilder would love to switch positions with.

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I believe Andrade would beat the brakes off Mall

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I believe Andrade would beat the brakes off Mall

I second this

[Bandman]

Uncle Al is not gonna allow this to happen. stop dreaming. we live in a time now where boxing fans could care less about the best matchups they'd rather cheer a network or a promoter. thats why you see some fans against this fight happening simply because Hearn is involved.

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Like comparing the Tampa Bay Rays to the Miami Marlins. One might have a stronger fan base than the other but neither has enough of a fan base to really claim bragging rights.

This isn't a discussion about bragging rights. It's a discussion of who would be the A-side in the fight.

Charlo has 300,000 instagram followers. Andrade has 100,000. Charlo is clearly more well known. You know it. I know it. You're arguing for the sake of arguing.

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Until we agree on some set parameters on both those criteria we could literally come up with hundreds if not thousands of "stars".

I've already told you I have no problem with you having an extremely strict criteria. However, under your criteria, there is only one star and you have to deal with that. That's not my problem. Mayweather sold so many more PPVs than everybody else, that he is the only star in the history of boxing according to the argument you presented.

When one fighter sells PPVs on orders of magnitude greater than another fighter then you know which one is the real star and which one is just a popular fighter.

Yes, I fully understand your criteria. You just don't like that you put yourself in checkmate because I exposed that your criteria means Mayweather is the only star.

Deontay Wilder is not a star he's just a popular fighter. There is nothing wrong with that. 99% of the boxers in the world would love to be as popular as Wilder. The difference is that there exists that 1% of fighters who Wilder would love to switch positions with.

No. There are only TWO fighters on the entire planet Wilder would love to switch positions with. Canelo and Joshua. That's it. Wilder is the #3 star in boxing. Which, by your definition, means he isn't a star because there can only be one star.

By my definition, there can be 10-20 stars, so Wilder is a star.

I don't argue opinions. I'm totally fine with your opinion. You just don't like what your opinion has trapped you with. Floyd Mayweather being the only boxing star in history. That's why you're upset. You sunk your own battle ship.

[yankees7448]

This isn't a discussion about bragging rights. It's a discussion of who would be the A-side in the fight.

Charlo has 300,000 instagram followers. Andrade has 100,000. Charlo is clearly more well known. You know it. I know it. You're arguing for the sake of arguing.

And as I said, neither guy is big enough to get away with demanding anything from anyone. Both guys need this fight.

[yankees7448]

I've already told you I have no problem with you having an extremely strict criteria. However, under your criteria, there is only one star and you have to deal with that. That's not my problem. Mayweather sold so many more PPVs than everybody else, that he is the only star in the history of boxing according to the argument you presented.




Yes, I fully understand your criteria. You just don't like that you put yourself in checkmate because I exposed that your criteria means Mayweather is the only star.

For the millionth time. It absolutely does not. Cut out this strawman bullsh it.

No. There are only TWO fighters on the entire planet Wilder would love to switch positions with. Canelo and Joshua. That's it. Wilder is the #3 star in boxing. Which, by your definition, means he isn't a star because there can only be one star.

I've pointed out the strawman argument you continue to make. Repeating a lie won't make it more true.