Comments Thread For: Hearn Offers Charlo One-Fight Deal For Andrade May Unification

[yankees7448]

we both agreed that whether you're a star or not is subjective. I told you I don't argue opinions, but you insisted.

Wilder is the most successful American boxer. Wilder is one of the top five most successful boxers in the world. By most definitions, he is absolutely a star.

And by your very strict definition, he isnt. Which is fine. You just dont like that Ive correctly pointed out that by your definition, nobody has ever been a star except for Mayweather. Too bad. You sunk yourself with your own words.

You've sunk yourself by resorting to straw man arguments so you can finally win a debate. You're wrong. I am done proving you wrong and trying to keep you on topic. Buzz off.

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You've sunk yourself by resorting to straw man arguments so you can finally win a debate. You're wrong. I am done proving you wrong and trying to keep you on topic. Buzz off.

You continue to completely misunderstand the concept of straw man.

YOU presented the argument that if somebody sells way more PPVs than you, you're not a star. Which is fine. You're entitled to your opinion. "Star" is subjective. No problem.

I then, ADDRESSING THE ARGUMENT YOU PRESENTED, point out that Mayweather sold way more PPVs than everybody in history and that if we follow YOUR POSITION to its logical conclusion, Mayweather is the only star that has ever existed.

That is not strawman. That is me directly responding to your position. I'm not inventing a position in order to attack it. I'm attacking the position you actually presented, therefore making it impossible to be strawman.

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It takes more than a big paycheck to be a star.

You don't get big paychecks until you ARE a star. Drawing more people to your events means more money. If you draw enough that your promoter is guaranteeing you $10M or more, you've hit the stardom phase of your career.

[yankees7448]

You continue to completely misunderstand the concept of straw man. YOU presented the argument that if somebody sells way more PPVs than you, you're not a star.

Once again, that is absolutely not what I said. Mr.Strawman. Take your bull s h i t elsewhere.

[yankees7448]

You don't get big paychecks until you ARE a star. Drawing more people to your events means more money. If you draw enough that your promoter is guaranteeing you $10M or more, you've hit the stardom phase of your career.

No. Sometimes people get big paychecks because someone thinks they have star potential and want to keep them from going elsewhere. It doesn't mean they've lived up to it.

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Once again, that is absolutely not what I said. Mr.Strawman. Take your bull s h i t elsewhere.

You know that's what you said, that's why you're getting so frustrated. You said since Wilder's first two PPVs sold the same amount combined as Canelo vs Khan, Wilder can't possibly be a star. That PPV is the metric for stardom and if someone has sold way more PPV than you, you're not a star.

Not expecting me to bring up the fact that Mayweather and sold so much more PPV than everybody ever. By YOUR THEORY, Mayweather is the only boxing star ever. Why not just admit your theory was ****** instead of lying about whether you said it in the first place?

[yankees7448]

You know that's what you said, that's why you're getting so frustrated. You said since Wilder's first two PPVs sold the same amount combined as Canelo vs Khan, Wilder can't possibly be a star. That PPV is the metric for stardom and if someone has sold way more PPV than you, you're not a star.

Not expecting me to bring up the fact that Mayweather and sold so much more PPV than everybody ever. By YOUR THEORY, Mayweather is the only boxing star ever. Why not just admit your theory was ****** instead of lying about whether you said it in the first place?

Oh for f ucks sake.

The comparison wasn't the definition dumb a ss. The comparison was simply to illustrate genuine star power versus wanna be star power. You're saying Deontay Wilder is a star. I am saying he's not.

Look at it this way. We have two events. The first fight is a heavyweight fight between two undefeated fighters. One is a huge American with explosive KO power and a big larger than life personality. The other is a huge Englishman with a big mouth and a victory over the long running kingpin of the division, Wladimir Klitchko. The second event is between two middleweight champions. One from Mexico and the other from a former Soviet Republic. Neither have much if any command of the English language. One of those events sold almost five times as many PPVs as the other. Logic tells us the heavyweight fight should have been that PPV but it wasn't. The real star was the non-English speaking Mexican.

Now who is a star? Manny Pacquio is a star. He has multiple PPV events with more than a million sales. Mike Tyson is a star. He has multiple PPV events with more than a million sales. Floyd Mayweather is a star. He has multiple PPV events with more than a million sales. Canelo Alvarez is a star. He has multiple PPV events with more than a million sales. In two months Deontay Wilder is not a star will have his 3rd PPV event. With the lack of buzz surrounding this fight I have my doubts that all 3 would have combined to hit the million mark. Notice the pattern there butt boy or do you need me to use a crayon.

So as I have said 100x, your point about Mayweather being the only star ever is a fu cking dumb strawman argument. Go away and stop embarrassing yourself.

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Oh for f ucks sake.

The comparison wasn't the definition dumb a ss. The comparison was simply to illustrate genuine star power versus wanna be star power. You're saying Deontay Wilder is a star. I am saying he's not.

Look at it this way. We have two events. The first fight is a heavyweight fight between two undefeated fighters. One is a huge American with explosive KO power and a big larger than life personality. The other is a huge Englishman with a big mouth and a victory over the long running kingpin of the division, Wladimir Klitchko. Their first fight ended in controversy. The second event is between two middleweight champions. One from Mexico and the other from a former Soviet Republic. Neither have much if any command of the English language. Their first fight ended in controversy.

One of those events sold almost five times as many PPVs as the other. Logic tells us the heavyweight fight should have been that PPV but it wasn't. The real star was the non-English speaking Mexican. Canelo's rematch with GGG sold 26% fewer PPVs than their first fight but still finished with a strong 1.1 million in sales. Now here we are roughly 2 months away from the Wilder/Fury rematch and there is absolutely no buzz about it. We are going to find ourselves in a situation in which 2 of Wilder's career defining fights sell well under 400k PPVs a piece. They are solid numbers that ensure the events profitability but those aren't star level numbers.

Who is a star. Manny Pacquio is a star. He has multiple PPV events with more than a million sales. Floyd Mayweather is a star. He has multiple PPV events with more than a million sales. Canelo Alvarez is a star. He has multiple PPV events with more than a million sales. Deontay Wilder is not a star. In two months he'll have his 3rd PPV event and I have my doubts that all 3 would have combined to hit the million mark.

So as I have said 100x, your point about Mayweather being the only star ever is a fu cking dumb strawman argument.

You're moving the goal posts now AND continuing to lie about what strawman means. Over and over I address the argument you presented, only for you to cry strawman. Did you forget what you posted? You were the one that said you can't be a star if someone else is selling way more PPV than you.

Those were your words. If you misspoke, apologize and explain yourself. But don't deny that you said it. You look like a lunatic.

[yankees7448]

You're moving the goal posts now AND continuing to lie about what strawman means. Over and over I address the argument you presented, only for you to cry strawman. Did you forget what you posted? You were the one that said you can't be a star if someone else is selling way more PPV than you.

Holy **** you are an idiot. I am saying the same goddamn thing I've been saying this whole damned time. I can't quite grasp how you are having such a hard time following along. Do you speak another language and are just copy and pasting from google translate. The only other explanation is that you are just aggressively ignorant.

F uck off. I don't want your inability to understand the English language kill my holiday high.

[yankees7448]

Trying to explain the same damned point in a different way so the ignorant mother fu cker can follow along and he accused me of moving the goal posts. God in heaven help me before a punch some random dude in the prick out of frustration.