Noticing a disturbing trend with Crawford

[Combat Talk Radio]

And let's be clear....you ARE a fan of alcoholism and would you be so confident if Spence were to have hurt or even worse, taken someone's life because of his ****** decisions? Hopefully not.

You can stop where you are because you're reaching and showing me you're nothing more than a nuthugging Spence fan who ignores his transgressions because you like him.

Just move on, you sound so emotional and we all know emotions and logic don't even belong in the same argument, so move along.

It's too bad I'm straightedge which makes you sound childish.

But do you - you're a Crawford fan, you cheered when he tried to beat up that car shop guy, you laughed when he allowed his baby mama to assault his mistress in the street. It's cool. You're entitled to like what you like.

Done.

[blitted_master]

I thought it was a knockdown. He appeared to go down due to the effects of the punch. With that said, so what? He got up and beat the crap out of Kavaliauskas. Kavaliauskas had a good showing. He stood in there with arguably the greatest fighter in the game and scored a KD. I just wish the PBC guys would get in there with Bud and we could see the great fights we want to. Too bad about Errol being a drunk and messing things up..

[Boxing Goat]

My only response to this is that Crawford is pfp #2 behind Canelo

He's ranked 2nd by ESPN behind Loma and 4th by Ring mag.

[megh50]

He's ranked 2nd by ESPN behind Loma and 4th by Ring mag.

Yes...but I trust boxrec, where most of the boxers record are housed. It's the least affiliated...to my knowledge

1 Mexico Canelo Alvarez 52–1–2 (34 KO) Middleweight WBA (Super), The Ring, lineal middleweight, and WBA (Regular) super middleweight champion
2 United States Terence Crawford 35–0 (26 KO) Welterweight WBO welterweight champion
3 Kazakhstan Gennady Golovkin 39–1–1 (35 KO) Middleweight IBF and IBO middleweight champion
4 Ukraine Vasyl Lomachenko 14–1 (10 KO) Lightweight WBA (Super), WBC, WBO and The Ring lightweight champion
5 United States Errol Spence Jr. 25–0 (21 KO) Welterweight WBC and IBF welterweight champion

[megh50]

Is this serious or troll?

TC was hit and pushed against Kavaskilus. Crawford mayve been dazed, but he popped right up to fight. Not a legit KD by any means

You suggest TC low-blowed Khan to get out of a bad situation? Khan was bent over a bit and the punch landed a little low, sure. Fight was over regardless

Gamboa did stun TC. All fighters get caught. All fighters. Its boxing.

No, it's not a troll. After the fight with Khan, while being interviewed and looking at the video replay, he insisted that it wasn't a low blow. I admire Crawford, and I thought his performance after being rocked by egis was reminiscent of what Floyd did to Mosely after he was rocked, only Crawford's was way more dominant. He responded the way the "boss" should respond. However, for his denials, I'm putting him on a watch. He may have been able to bully Horn and Egis, but Danny G, Porter and Thurman are different animals.

[Boxing Goat]

Yes...but I trust boxrec, where most of the boxers record are housed. It's the least affiliated...to my knowledge

1 Mexico Canelo Alvarez 52–1–2 (34 KO) Middleweight WBA (Super), The Ring, lineal middleweight, and WBA (Regular) super middleweight champion
2 United States Terence Crawford 35–0 (26 KO) Welterweight WBO welterweight champion
3 Kazakhstan Gennady Golovkin 39–1–1 (35 KO) Middleweight IBF and IBO middleweight champion
4 Ukraine Vasyl Lomachenko 14–1 (10 KO) Lightweight WBA (Super), WBC, WBO and The Ring lightweight champion
5 United States Errol Spence Jr. 25–0 (21 KO) Welterweight WBC and IBF welterweight champion

Oh, ok. So that means that you must also agree with the all time heavyweight ranking on that website.

1)Muhammad Ali 1481 56 5 0 1960-1981
orthodox
Louisville, USA

2) Joe Louis 1477 66 3 0 1934-1951
orthodox
Detroit, USA

3) Evander Holyfield 1197 44 10 2 1984-2011
orthodox
Atlanta, USA

Now, as you can see, it's a farce and totally illegitimate.

You should be embarrassed for even responding with that.

[MeanestNiceGuy]

It's too bad I'm straightedge which makes you sound childish.

But do you - you're a Crawford fan, you cheered when he tried to beat up that car shop guy, you laughed when he allowed his baby mama to assault his mistress in the street. It's cool. You're entitled to like what you like.

Done.

Just stop failing.

[megh50]

Oh, ok. So that means that you must also agree with the all time heavyweight ranking on that website.

1)Muhammad Ali 1481 56 5 0 1960-1981
orthodox
Louisville, USA

2) Joe Louis 1477 66 3 0 1934-1951
orthodox
Detroit, USA

3) Evander Holyfield 1197 44 10 2 1984-2011
orthodox
Atlanta, USA

Now, as you can see, it's a farce and totally illegitimate.

You should be embarrassed for even responding with that.

Well, if you trust ESPN and Ring and the known problems and biases of their rankings...that's ok. I use my eyes , experience and the figures to rank fighters...and I think Boxrec does this well. Even if I disagree with a few, there is still the statistical evidence which often conflicts with anecdotal. I have seen a few clips of Joe Louis and of Ali...before my time, but if I were to judge those guys I would use their victories, who they fought and some anecdotal evidence to come by my conclusion. Evander Holyfied I did see, and his accomplishments from Cruiserweight to Heavy, and who and how he fought are legendary. I would probably put Lewis ahead of him, but Lewis was 6' 5 and really heralded the age of the super heavies

[Combat Talk Radio]

Yes...but I trust boxrec, where most of the boxers record are housed. It's the least affiliated...to my knowledge

1 Mexico Canelo Alvarez 52–1–2 (34 KO) Middleweight WBA (Super), The Ring, lineal middleweight, and WBA (Regular) super middleweight champion
2 United States Terence Crawford 35–0 (26 KO) Welterweight WBO welterweight champion
3 Kazakhstan Gennady Golovkin 39–1–1 (35 KO) Middleweight IBF and IBO middleweight champion
4 Ukraine Vasyl Lomachenko 14–1 (10 KO) Lightweight WBA (Super), WBC, WBO and The Ring lightweight champion
5 United States Errol Spence Jr. 25–0 (21 KO) Welterweight WBC and IBF welterweight champion

To be fair, Boxrec had Jeff Horn as #1 Welterweight in the World and #5 P4P after beating Manny. They also claim that Crawford is better than Aaron Pryor and Alexis Arguello, all time.

[megh50]

To be fair, Boxrec had Jeff Horn as #1 Welterweight in the World and #5 P4P after beating Manny. They also claim that Crawford is better than Aaron Pryor and Alexis Arguello, all time.

Well, if you assume that the judges got it right with Horn, and you weigh Crawford's rise through the weights and current dominance and the number of champions he has beaten, I think there is a case for that. But things change, and Horn got beat. Duran got the better of Ray Leonard but got obliterated by Hearns. Duran was #1 and then lost it to Hearns who lost it to Hagler who lost it to Leonard. The thing is, we as humans are biased and base our assessments on so many things, true or untrue, that we need a north star. And I think Boxrec is a better north star than Ring and ESPN which are more for entertainment and make their living off of it. You hear guys debate decisions all the time. I thought Thurman drew with Manny at least, but that doesn't matter. The judges saw it different regardless of Thurman saying he was at 50% or Manny saying his shoulder was shot against Floyd.