So what's the catch to overpaying Wilder?

[maguirre]

I see the point of this thread.

And I don't know of a PBC in-house fight that involves Wilder huge enough to recover the loses.

Bad thing about this is that other fights that are due to be made are not made due to lack of funds.

[ShaneMosleySr]

It’ll pay off if he becomes undisputed.

Everyone will continue to dismiss that idea but it’s true.

[brettWall]

It’ll pay off if he becomes undisputed.

Everyone will continue to dismiss that idea but it’s true.

He won't be undisputed without AJ.

Undisputed doesn't even equate to box office potential in this day and age.

[ShaneMosleySr]

I understand that he has to win the other titles to become undisputed.

I don’t understand how anyone can believe showtime and fox are going to lose money on Wilder fights if he’s the undisputed heavyweight champion.

He won't be undisputed without AJ.

Undisputed doesn't even equate to box office potential in this day and age.

[Monzon99]

The wilder fraudsters are hoping Joshua loses again and fades away. Or has a car crash like spence. Then wilder is in position to be the fake king. Their whole plan would have succeeded if Klitschko had beaten Joshua. Joshua beating Klitschko is what killed the wilder fraud scam.

Klitschko would have retired and Joshua would not have established himself as the next king.

[Monzon99]

He won't be undisputed without AJ.

Undisputed doesn't even equate to box office potential in this day and age.

They are trying via media manipulation to downplay Joshua as undisputed, they are trying to convince you that wilder vs fury is more important and more pretigious than Joshua holding 4 of the belts. It's a desperation move but that's all they can do. Haymon finkel and wilder are too cowardly to dare to risk wilder vs haymon.

they think by buying off fury to carry wilder this can establish wilder as the fraud king. but it is failing. All road$ lead to Jo$hua.

[Marchegiano]

I think it's more about distribution rights after the fact and has less to do with upfront returns.


I'll tell y'all this, everytime I make a KO reel CBS wants the ad rev. I don't even put ad rev on my videos 'cause they're ****, but, CBS does. CBS will monetize unmonetized videos and keep that money son.

I'm sure that's true for everyone, my Josh Taylor vs Jose Ramirez video got flagged too, but Wilder's the most searched name in boxing or some goofy **** like that so I'm sure there's some value there.


I don't really know, obviously, but I don't know why companies spend millions on adverts that struggle to make a point or even feature an actual product. I see kumbaya bull**** ads all the time and think " The ****'re they sellin?" and those continue to happen....**** must work right? They must be getting their money back in some manner otherwise there'd be no bidding between Showtime and Fox....Fox wouldn't give any ****s if Fox didn't think Fox had something to benefit from it. If the PPVs are not making them profit then the after market distribution rights they own of the PPVs must be.

Like when the UFC buys a fighter from another promotion but not their fights. They don't do a clip show for that guy, they just have him punch and kick air in front of a cage, cause they don't want to pay Bella or whatever for rights to use the clips.

I reckon right now Fox is paying BT and Showtime. How else do they use BT and Sho clips to promote their upcoming rematch PPV?

[Tyistall]

The PBC is basically one big game of Three-card Monte. For the last couple of years there hasn't been one confirmed report of Wilder's live gates, ticket sales, PPV numbers or his fight purses. Everything has been "leaked" or it came from sources that had nothing to do with the promotion of the fight. They have done everything they can to make it seem like they are doing well, when in fact Showtime dropped them and now they have to Wilder vs Fury II on PPV with almost no under card. fighters are jumping ship and the PBC is trying to sell the ship as it goes down. But again, they are trying to con the public into believing that everything is going well. The truth is, the arena will be half empty for the Fury rematch. They will once again be giving tickets away to make it seem full. The PPV will be terrible but they will never release the real numbers. Instead letting a "leak" come out that it is "around 500k" or something. They've been doing this for years now and the public has just accepted it, not me. Just look at the press conferences for the Wilder/Fury rematch. They purposely refuse to show the crowd of people who are there hahahhaa. When AJ fights, the press conferences are jam packed, so are the soccer stadiums. Yet these 2 clowns want 50/50 after this farce???

[OnePunch]

I think it's more about distribution rights after the fact and has less to do with upfront returns.


I'll tell y'all this, everytime I make a KO reel CBS wants the ad rev. I don't even put ad rev on my videos 'cause they're ****, but, CBS does. CBS will monetize unmonetized videos and keep that money son.

I'm sure that's true for everyone, my Josh Taylor vs Jose Ramirez video got flagged too, but Wilder's the most searched name in boxing or some goofy **** like that so I'm sure there's some value there.


I don't really know, obviously, but I don't know why companies spend millions on adverts that struggle to make a point or even feature an actual product. I see kumbaya bull**** ads all the time and think " The ****'re they sellin?" and those continue to happen....**** must work right? They must be getting their money back in some manner otherwise there'd be no bidding between Showtime and Fox....Fox wouldn't give any ****s if Fox didn't think Fox had something to benefit from it. If the PPVs are not making them profit then the after market distribution rights they own of the PPVs must be.

Like when the UFC buys a fighter from another promotion but not their fights. They don't do a clip show for that guy, they just have him punch and kick air in front of a cage, cause they don't want to pay Bella or whatever for rights to use the clips.

I reckon right now Fox is paying BT and Showtime. How else do they use BT and Sho clips to promote their upcoming rematch PPV?

depending on who negotiated the fight, the promoter or even the fighter may have retained library rights to the fight. Typically you cant use the entire fight, or any of the commentary, but using a few short action clips wouldnt be a problem.....

[Bullrider]

Showtime opted out of the Wilder fight again, so that tells you things are not doing well in that side of the street.