Comments Thread For: Wilder-Ortiz Rematch - PPV Buys To Land Just North of 275,000

[Fanofreason]

Fox is a publicly traded company. They can not release fake #s.

[OldTerry]

You're confusing two different things as well as using out dated information.

In the traditional PPV model, and I'll use simple numbers to make the math easier, HBO would do a PPV for $50. Do a million buys. You've got $50,000,000 in the PPV pot.

HBO, as the network distributing the fight, would take 7.5% as their distribution fee. In recent years, Haymon has used his leverage to negotiate the distribution fee for Fox and Showtime down to 5%.

The cable and satellite companies, as the PPV providers, would take 50%.

Leaving the promoter with 42.5%, or $21.25 million to pay the fighters, make a profit, cover expenses, etc (and obviously he'd have other revenue streams as well, such as live gate, foreign rights, delayed broadcast, sponsorships, etc).

However, in recent years, Haymon has used his leverage to negotiate the PPV provider fee from 50% down to 25%. He was able to do this because WWE took their events to WWE Network, UFC took their events to ESPN+, HBO left the PPV business, and the PPV industry is fighting to stay relevant. Because Haymon was getting a 75/25 split in his favor on the Fox app (although Fox was also taking a 5% distribution fee in addition), he got the PPV industry to match the 75/25 split, if he promised to run PPVs regularly for years to come.

So the 42.5% cut of old in the haymon model is now 70%. So the economics have been totally changed.

Still a shortfall but it does drastically cut the events overall loss. Another mitigating factor to the loss is that it is probably even less because of tax write-offs. Perhaps the loss is then viewed as 1) a cost of waging war with DAZN and 2) an investment in the promoting of future events. The PPV is not a stand alone business as FOX makes plenty with their other shows.

[Fanofreason]

I don't know about that. The PPVs plus digital buys would have brought in at $23M and that doesn't include the live gate. If Wilder was paid $10M and Ortiz $4M that leaves PBC and Fox with around $9M to divide up. Not record numbers but decent.

It did another $4.5 mill in sponsorship

Another 8-12mill in international ppv.

Close to $40 million dollar fight

[The Big Dunn]

It's an unconfirmed number and even this number makes a massive loss for PBC. Ths is an L. ****** people are celebrating an L.

If we compare this to guys like Floyd, Manny and Canelo, yes its a loss. This is Wilder. Realistically without Fury, Ruiz or AJ his ceiling for PPV's is probably 350,000 tops.

At least we know Bigpoppapump will post something more credible than ****EM, TYistall, Monzon99 and the host of other british cuck PPV experts will.

[The Big Dunn]

the number is 225k. Dan Rafeals just posted it

OK. I am fine with whatever the actual number is. I just don't think it a number is valid when ****Em, Tyistall, Monzon99 and any other half a f@g pulls the number from behind the gerbil lodged in their ass crack.

I think we all can agree with that.

[El_Mero]

In my opinion buying a PPV fight is a money waster to start with. The day after the fight you know who won and how. Watching the fight does not change the results and it will be available for view on YouTube soon enough. That's why I'm not buying the Ruiz, Joshua fight.

I havent bought a PPV in YEARS. AND I more than likely wont buy another. I stream the majority of fights now. Even moreso cause undercards SUCK

[Mask]

Decent numbers this proves Wilder does have a fanbase and he is continuing to grow his brand. Any match up with Ruiz, Fury, AJ will do big numbers.

[j0zef]

Not bad considering an opponent.

[j.razor]

Other than Fury or Joshua, it doesn’t look likely that Wilder has a PPV future, if his biggest threat match up could get 275k as a generous estimate

What other opponents can they force on PPV?

Andy Ruiz.

[GhostofDempsey]

At 300K buys this would generate about $23M tops. Wilder is lucky if he got $5M for this fight after all is said and done. Don't think for a moment Haymon isn't taking a juicy cut.