ATTN UK Trolls: Joshua lost

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Attention Wilder fans:

Wilder didn't have the guts to step in with AJ himself. He did not beat AJ.

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Attention Wilder fans:

Wilder didn't have the guts to step in with AJ himself. He did not beat AJ.

Wilder agreed to fight AJ last year, in the UK, for a low ball flat fee of $15 million.

AJ fought Povetkin instead.

We've seen what kind of guts AJ has. He quit in his last fight. He asked for 50 million to fight Wilder in the US and then backed out like a coward when Wilder offered 50 million.

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He asked for 50 million to fight Wilder in the US and then backed out like a coward when Wilder offered 50 million.

I'm sure you know perfectly well that AJ couldn't legally fight anywhere except for Sky Sports. Wilder's offer HAD to be fought on BT Sport. Now call AJ a coward all you like, say he quit or whatever - but don't try to blindside the uninformed with misleading statements.

Why do you come to the forum and offer perfectly impartial PBC and Wilder facts, but twist and play entirely strategic with the truth when it's AJ related? Just be objective, or don't pretend to be. I clearly had you all wrong.

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I'm sure you know perfectly well that AJ couldn't legally fight anywhere except for Sky Sports. Wilder's offer HAD to be fought on BT Sport.

That's not true. Who told you that, Hearn? Wilder's side repeatedly said publicly that the fight could be on Sky if they matched BT's offer.

You can't ask for 50 million AND retain the UK rights. Wilder's side had to sell the UK rights for fair market value to try to make back some of the 50 million. BT put in a bid and Wilder's side said if Sky matched, the fight could be on Sky. Sky seemed interested in matching, but Joshua's team talked Joshua out of taking the fight.

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Joshua isn't under contract to DAZN, so why should Wilder have to fight his mandatory on DAZN in order to unify with Joshua? Doesn't make any sense.

1) How do you know that Wilder HAD to fight Brezeale as part of the package? I imagine the $20m for brezeale was to sweeten the deal..like a free gift just to show him they mean business and have the money. Furthermore, it would allow dazn more time to work with wilder and essentially make him a future dazn star.
2) by making that $20m offer for the brezeale fight, they forced Showtime's hand, they couldn't get away with paying Wilder $5m or less which is what they would have, it forced them to pay wilder $10m. What network was Wilder's last fight and why?
3) this is my own personal view..Showtime/pbc were banking on building up AJ vs Wilder to a level where it would become too costly for dazn on their current subscription model. There are only x amount of boxing fans who'll part with their money to watch a fight, whether it's on the subscription model or ppv.Had that fight got to a level where it could generate 2m ppv buys, then dazn would be losing a lot of money to host it.
Think about it, suppose dazn were paying Wilder $40m for one fight and AJ $60m. 2m ppv buys on showtime is $140. I imagine al haymon and espinoza imagined it would do even larger numbers.
plus they wanted wilder to get 50%.
AJ's loss (which i believe was one hell of a fixed fight by dazn and their betting connections) simultaneously ****ed that fight as far as ppv numbers it could have generated, which caused showtime to think again about their plans for wilder.
It means that fight is more affordable for dazn in future. it also got them more time before they were pushed to put on wilder vs aj prematurely and not generate the subscriptions. I would imagine the longer they stick around the more subs they'll build up (obv provided they keep a good schedule). obv with ruiz being a mexican yank, they wanted mexican subs, they will get them for the rematch.
It did a lot of good for dazn. dazn execs have been very clear about how much they've benefited since aj lost.

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1) How do you know that Wilder HAD to fight Brezeale as part of the package? I imagine the $20m for brezeale was to sweeten the deal..like a free gift just to show him they mean business and have the money. Furthermore, it would allow dazn more time to work with wilder and essentially make him a future dazn star.

I agree with you. However, if Wilder didn't want the sweetener, and just wanted the Joshua fight, there was no reason to sign for the Joshua fight before Joshua fought Miller/Ruiz. There was nothing wrong with Wilder waiting. Had Joshua beaten Ruiz, nothing was stopping DAZN from making Wilder an offer the next day. Wilder choosing to fight Breazeale on Showtime doesn't mean he was turning down Joshua. It just means he was turning down fighting Breazeale on DAZN. The UK trolls insisting Wilder ducked Joshua aren't being logical.

2) by making that $20m offer for the brezeale fight, they forced Showtime's hand, they couldn't get away with paying Wilder $5m or less which is what they would have, it forced them to pay wilder $10m. What network was Wilder's last fight and why?

We agree again. Wilder was able to increase his value to his current partners and fight Breazeale on the side of the street he was already on. There was no reason to go to DAZN to fight Breazeale.

3) this is my own personal view..Showtime/pbc were banking on building up AJ vs Wilder to a level where it would become too costly for dazn on their current subscription model.

We agree again. Wilder vs. Joshua should have been a PPV fight. With proper build up, it would have done over 1 million buys, possibly even 1.5 million.

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I agree with you. However, if Wilder didn't want the sweetener, and just wanted the Joshua fight, there was no reason to sign for the Joshua fight before Joshua fought Miller/Ruiz. There was nothing wrong with Wilder waiting. Had Joshua beaten Ruiz, nothing was stopping DAZN from making Wilder an offer the next day. Wilder choosing to fight Breazeale on Showtime doesn't mean he was turning down Joshua. It just means he was turning down fighting Breazeale on DAZN. The UK trolls insisting Wilder ducked Joshua aren't being logical.




We agree again. Wilder was able to increase his value to his current partners and fight Breazeale on the side of the street he was already on. There was no reason to go to DAZN to fight Breazeale.




We agree again. Wilder vs. Joshua should have been a PPV fight. With proper build up, it would have done over 1 million buys, possibly even 1.5 million.

Well signing that deal obv would have been on the merit of AJ beating his next opponent. However we wouldnt be sat here saying 'wilder turned down the offer' either.

Personally I believe Wilder wanted to sign the deal but wasnt allowed by Finkle and al haymon.
He is under contract to those guys, they own him.
obv can't say too much about al haymon because he's a ghost, but finkle clearly can't let go of Eddie Hearn calling him 'shirley winkle'.
i suppose it's eddie's fault ultimately for trolling him.

Still, watch this, this was Eddie doing impressions inc one of bob arum

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj-yaWcoEIY

this is early 2017 before he even came to the US with the dazl deal
his impression of arum
Arum: eddie hearn doesnt know **** about boxing.
2 years on
Arum: eddie hearn doesnt know **** about boxing in the USA

his impression of schaeffer, pissed schaeffer off. Basically those type of guys just can't take a joke.

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Well signing that deal obv would have been on the merit of AJ beating his next opponent. However we wouldnt be sat here saying 'wilder turned down the offer' either.

But because DAZN was allowed to cancel the deal if Joshua lost to Miller/Ruiz, there was no reason for Wilder to commit until after Joshua's fight. Also, Wilder won his interim fight by spectacular first round knockout. What if Joshua had won a dubious decision and his market value suffered as a result? While Wilder's market value increased after the huge first round knockout?

Instead of being able to negotiate a better deal, Wilder would be stuck with what he agreed to before the interim fights took place. Only a sucker would do that. Wilder made the right choice by waiting.

Personally I believe Wilder wanted to sign the deal but wasnt allowed by Finkle and al haymon.

You're wrong. Wilder is self-promoted. Haymon is an adviser. Wilder is free to do as he pleases. DAZN was offering a sucker deal. Wilder did the intelligent thing and waited to see what happened in Joshua's fight. Joshua lost. Wilder shouldn't be criticized for making the correct decision.

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But because DAZN was allowed to cancel the deal if Joshua lost to Miller/Ruiz, there was no reason for Wilder to commit until after Joshua's fight. Also, Wilder won his interim fight by spectacular first round knockout. What if Joshua had won a dubious decision and his market value suffered as a result? While Wilder's market value increased after the huge first round knockout?

Instead of being able to negotiate a better deal, Wilder would be stuck with what he agreed to before the interim fights took place. Only a sucker would do that. Wilder made the right choice by waiting.




You're wrong. Wilder is self-promoted. Haymon is an adviser. Wilder is free to do as he pleases. DAZN was offering a sucker deal. Wilder did the intelligent thing and waited to see what happened in Joshua's fight. Joshua lost. Wilder shouldn't be criticized for making the correct decision.

He is managed by finkle and advised by al haymon.
the self-promotional stuff is just made up to allow al haymon to control fights outside of the Ali act.
We all know that.
it is clear that Wilder has very little say.
When he was asked about turning down the offer, finkle spoke for him...he didnt even allow wilder to speak, he jumped in whilst wilder just stood there watching.

He turned down the offer, period. everything else is hypothetical.
when he turned it down, he did so on the basis that they wouldnt reveal what AJ was getting.
that is some serious envy man.

he didnt turn it down because 'aj might lose his next fight' did he?
we know why he turned it down, because he was greedy and wanted more.

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He is managed by finkle and advised by al haymon.
the self-promotional stuff is just made up to allow al haymon to control fights outside of the Ali act.
We all know that.

No, we don't know that. The profits of Wilder's events go to Wilder because he is the promoter. They do not go to Finkel or Haymon. They are not promoters. Finkel and Haymon are paid a commission by Wilder.

it is clear that Wilder has very little say.

No it's not clear. Wilder actually has a lot of say. Two quick examples. Haymon & Finkel both agreed it was a sucker deal for Wilder to accept 15 million flat to go to the UK. Wilder didn't care and accepted anyway. Hearn was so surprised that Wilder accepted that Hearn had to scramble and come up with excuses to still not do the fight last year.

Earlier that same year, Wilder demanded a fight against Luis Ortiz. Haymon & Finkel both agreed it was a high risk, low reward fight, and that Wilder should wait until after Ortiz picked up a vacant WBA title. Wilder didn't care and demanded the fight immediately anyway. Wilder is his own boss. He gets advice, but he makes the final decision.