Why Ellerbee Was Right On Wilder

[koolkc107]

The DAZN deal Wilder turned down was actually one of two options: 3 fights for 100 million or 4 fights for 120 million.

Two of the fights were supposed to be versus AJ for 40 million dollars each. The 3 fight deal included another 20 million for a Breazeale fight, while the 4 fight deal included the Breazeale fight and another 20 million dollar fight against an opponent of Wilder's choosing.

Note that DAZN didn't have a contract with AJ's signature on it and that AJ isn't signed to DAZN. AJ is signed to Matchroom and SkySports, and the contract Wilder was to sign didn't mention SkySports or any other revenue streams.

So let's look at what happened...

Joshua got knocked out. Does anyone think Wilder would have earned that first 40 million by now? Or, is it more likely he'd be either without a fight (in the case of the three fight deal) or fighting the other optional 20 million dollar fight in the 4 fight deal?

Well, Deontay made 20 million vs Breazeale anyway. And, he just made another 20 million against Ortiz.

It's 20 million more in his pocket in 2019 than if he'd signed the 3 fight deal and the same money if he'd signed the 4 fight deal since DAZN likely has him wait for the Ruiz-AJ rematch.

I guess we will know if he lost money if he fails to make 40 million each of his next two fights.

Or, if Ruiz wins the rematch, I am not sure that 40 million for two fights would still be on the table. But for our purposes here, let's call that irrelevant for 2019 since we can agree no 40 million would be made this year.

So, right now, Wilder is in better position than he would have been if he had signed.

He has made the same money or more.

And he did it while remaining a free agent.

Below is the article verifying what Wilder has made his last 2 fights.



https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshkat.../#5ece76d31e60

[DaNeutral.]

You never mentioned UNDISPUTED once. And everybody knows he didnt get 20 million to fight Breazeale even Shirley Winkle and the Weasel Espinoza said so.

[koolkc107]

You never mentioned UNDISPUTED once. And everybody knows he didnt get 20 million to fight Breazeale even Shirley Winkle and the Weasel Espinoza said so.

No need to mention that. Can't happen til the AJ-Ruiz mess is sorted out.

Feel free to link something showing them saying what Wilder did or didn't get.

The Forbes article I linked says 20 million for Breazeale. They are usually accurate on that kind of thing.

[Szef]

It doesn't matter that Joshua lost.

At the time, Joshua was undefeated and held 3 titles.

Wilder ducked Joshua. Plain and simple. Well, I'm sure if it was his call he would've signed the deal, but he's unfortunately Finkel's and Haymon's puppet. They made him look like a fool after all the shyt he had said about only caring about the titles and not money etc.

What happened after the deal doesn't excuse him rejecting the offer. Nobody knew what would happen.

Haymon & Finkel put their business above Wilder's and made their client look like a coward.

[koolkc107]

It doesn't matter that Joshua lost.

At the time, Joshua was undefeated and held 3 titles.

Wilder ducked Joshua. Plain and simple. Well, I'm sure if it was his call he would've signed the deal, but he's unfortunately Finkel's and Haymon's puppet. They made him look like a fool after all the shyt he had said about only caring about the titles and not money etc.

What happened after the deal doesn't excuse him rejecting the offer. Nobody knew what would happen.

Haymon & Finkel put their business above Wilder's and made their client look like a coward.

Actually, it's looking a lot like they put Wilder's interests above their own. 120 million or 100 million is room for one helluva payday if you get a percentage.

No matter what, there was going to be the Ruiz fight in June. So yeah, that did matter.

What also mattered are things I mentioned- no contract with AJ's name on it, no mention of other revenue.

It's great if Wilder signs for 40 million a fight and each fight makes 80 million. It's not so great if he signed for 40 million per fight and each fight makes 200 million. So, I see the reason to turn it down and if that's ducking then AJ ducked first and did so twice in 2018.

Right now, they've made the same or more money they would have if he had signed with DAZN.

Right now, whether AJ wins or loses, Wilder is in an exponentially better bargaining position than even 9 short months ago.

Right now, Wilder and Co. are looking like the smartest ones in the room...if AJ loses again, even more so.

[Szef]

Actually, it's looking a lot like they put Wilder's interests above their own. 120 million or 100 million is room for one helluva payday if you get a percentage.

No matter what, there was going to be the Ruiz fight in June. So yeah, that did matter.

What also mattered are things I mentioned- no contract with AJ's name on it, no mention of other revenue.

It's great if Wilder signs for 40 million a fight and each fight makes 80 million. It's not so great if he signed for 40 million per fight and each fight makes 200 million. So, I see the reason to turn it down and if that's ducking then AJ ducked first and did so twice in 2018.

Right now, they've made the same or more money they would have if he had signed with DAZN.

Right now, whether AJ wins or loses, Wilder is in an exponentially better bargaining position than even 9 short months ago.

Right now, Wilder and Co. are looking like the smartest ones in the room...if AJ loses again, even more so.

They didn't know Joshua it would lose so it does not matter. Nobody thought Ruiz would win and him losing to Joshua was a forgone conclusion to everybody including Haymon and Co.

They wouldn't let Wilder fight on rival platform. That's all there's to it. That was the only reason Wilder didn't sign.

No he made 40 million for Breazeale and Ortiz so unless he's making 60 million for his next fight Wilder made a bad business and likely will never have the opportunity to make that much money ever again.

[boliodogs]

Wilder is doing well on his own. Things are going his way and his great straight right makes him a must watch star now.

[koolkc107]

They didn't know Joshua it would lose so it does not matter. Nobody thought Ruiz would win and him losing to Joshua was a forgone conclusion to everybody including Haymon and Co.

They wouldn't let Wilder fight on rival platform. That's all there's to it. That was the only reason Wilder didn't sign.

No he made 40 million for Breazeale and Ortiz so unless he's making 60 million for his next fight Wilder made a bad business and likely will never have the opportunity to make that much money ever again.

Now you are having problems with simple addition and with reality. It was 40 million each for 2 fights allegedly with AJ and AJ only.

If Wilder signs the 3 fight deal with DAZN, what's he doing now?

He is sitting on his hands waiting to see the rematch next month and hoping AJ wins. You think DAZN is going to pay him 40 million to fight Ruiz? And oh yeah, he has lost 20 million with the 3 fight deal because there IS NO ORTIZ REMATCH.

If he signs the 4 fight deal would have made the same money as he has without it, so it's better that he is free and able to rematch Fury, which is a more lucrative fight than a unification with Ruiz, if AJ should prove unable to solve Andy a second time.

Your contention of Wilder needing to make 60 million his next fight is trash, since he wouldn't have made that if he had signed with DAZN. If he signed the 3 fight deal HE'S OUT THE 20 MILLION HE JUST MADE. And he is praying AJ wins next month or he would be OUT THE OTHER 80 MILLION AS WELL. Like I said, the 40 million was for fights with AJ that definitely would no longer be happening after 2 Joshua losses. Similar can be said of the 4 fight deal.

It isn't about a rival platform. Hell, his next fight is going to be co-broadcast on a rival platform. The deal wasn't good, even John Skipper admits he could have come more correct and the door is still open to future negotiations.

Again, right now it is looking like the right decision was made and then some. If AJ loses again, there's no argument at all.

[kafkod]

The DAZN deal Wilder turned down was actually one of two options: 3 fights for 100 million or 4 fights for 120 million.

Two of the fights were supposed to be versus AJ for 40 million dollars each. The 3 fight deal included another 20 million for a Breazeale fight, while the 4 fight deal included the Breazeale fight and another 20 million dollar fight against an opponent of Wilder's choosing.

Note that DAZN didn't have a contract with AJ's signature on it and that AJ isn't signed to DAZN. AJ is signed to Matchroom and SkySports, and the contract Wilder was to sign didn't mention SkySports or any other revenue streams.

So let's look at what happened...

Joshua got knocked out. Does anyone think Wilder would have earned that first 40 million by now? Or, is it more likely he'd be either without a fight (in the case of the three fight deal) or fighting the other optional 20 million dollar fight in the 4 fight deal?

Well, Deontay made 20 million vs Breazeale anyway. And, he just made another 20 million against Ortiz.

It's 20 million more in his pocket in 2019 than if he'd signed the 3 fight deal and the same money if he'd signed the 4 fight deal since DAZN likely has him wait for the Ruiz-AJ rematch.

I guess we will know if he lost money if he fails to make 40 million each of his next two fights.

Or, if Ruiz wins the rematch, I am not sure that 40 million for two fights would still be on the table. But for our purposes here, let's call that irrelevant for 2019 since we can agree no 40 million would be made this year.

So, right now, Wilder is in better position than he would have been if he had signed.

He has made the same money or more.

And he did it while remaining a free agent.

Below is the article verifying what Wilder has made his last 2 fights.



https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshkat.../#5ece76d31e60

If Wilder had accepted the offer to fight him AJ wouldn't have ended up fighting Andy Ruiz on that date.

[koolkc107]

If Wilder had accepted the offer to fight him AJ wouldn't have ended up fighting Andy Ruiz on that date.

That's you making an assumption that has little or no basis in fact.

Both men had fights scheduled when the offer was made by DAZN and there's little evidence that Wilder signing would change those plans.

Wilder would still do his mandatory and AJ would still make his US debut. If he doesn't fight Ruiz, that doesn't mean he beats whoever he does fight either.

In any case, we can speculate or we can go by what actually has happened.

And right now, rejecting the offer looks like the smart move.