Why Ellerbee Was Right On Wilder

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  • kafkod
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    #21
    Originally posted by koolkc107
    No, I don't think it was going to work like that but I would be glad to see anything you might have that might support that.

    He would have been paid the same 20 million for Breazeale that he wound up making anyway. The Breazeale fight was before the June upset.

    And the contract he was signing specified AJ, not anyone he wished. I highly doubt they'd pay him 40 million to fight anyone he wanted to. They seem to have plenty of input into who the folks they are paying fight.

    If AJ loses next month, there's no doubt he made the right choice. If AJ wins, he'll have that AND Fury.

    But, think whatever you like.
    The fights with AJ were conditional on neither of them losing before they fought each other. If AJ had fought Ruiz and lost after Wilder beat Breazeale, the deal would have been off. Wilder could have banked his $20million from the Breazeale fight and gone back to ST or Fox.

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    • Monzon99
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      #22
      Anyone who believes Wilder made $20m vs Breazeale is a Moe Ron.

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      • QueensburyRules
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        #23
        Originally posted by KillaMane26
        Hearns shoulda just offered that one fight vs Joshua and not tried to tie him down with extra fights. Imo
        - -U want Deyonce to be even mo'sissy?

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        • KillaMane26
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          #24
          Originally posted by QueensburyRules
          - -U want Deyonce to be even mo'sissy?
          ........sighs

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          • rickJen
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            #25
            Wilder made $20 mil in the non PPV Breazeale fight?
            But why? Is Showtime a charitable institution now?

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            • koolkc107
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              #26
              Originally posted by genrick
              Wilder made $20 mil in the non PPV Breazeale fight?
              But why? Is Showtime a charitable institution now?
              Actually, what Wilder made for Breazeale was readily available then. You had some reports saying only 10 million, some saying 18 million. But most folks reported him making the same money DAZN offered. Between what Showtime paid and what Haymon put in, Wilder made 20 million, as was reported by the Forbes article in the OP. More documentation to that effect follows:



              2. Don't read into the ratings. Popularity is often judged through the lens of ratings, and Showtime ponied up a lot of money—Wilder was reportedly paid $20 million, through Showtime and his advisor, Al Haymon, who doubles as the head of Premiere Boxing Champions—to keep Wilder on premium TV.


              Deontay Wilder is the best show in boxing and a Wilder-Joshua showdown would be the biggest fight in the sport. But will we ever see the day?



              Finkel told ESPN they are discussing a three-fight deal with Showtime. While he declined to give the value, he said Wilder would "make as much or more than he would have made under the DAZN deal" and that is without a fight against Joshua. Finkel also said that if the Showtime deal is finalized it wouldn't prevent a Joshua fight or Fury rematch on other platforms.


              Despite big offers, including a DAZN deal that included two fights with three-belt titlist Anthony Joshua, Deontay Wilder chose to remain with Showtime for his May 18 fight with Dominic Breazeale.



              Showtime Sports President Stephen Espinoza, whose network has been quiet since late December when PBC relaunched its new deal with Fox, said Wilder’s loyalty to Showtime was the “tiebreaker” between offers that were “in the same ballpark.”





              Wilder sold this night—for which he made a reported $20 million for 137 seconds of work—and sold it hard. Sold the incident between him and Breazeale in 2017 at a hotel in Alabama. Sold their confrontation, the bad blood, the pain he intended to inflict. He said in a press conference this week that he wanted to kill Breazeale and get paid for that at the same time.




              Hope this helps...probably won't.

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              • Toffee
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                #27
                Originally posted by koolkc107

                Below is the article verifying what Wilder has made his last 2 fights.

                https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshkat.../#5ece76d31e60
                No it doesn't verify what he made. It reports on other reports that didn't verify what he made.

                When they say "he made a reported..." they've got no facts. They're just reporting what someone else claimed.

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                • koolkc107
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Toffee
                  No it doesn't verify what he made. It reports on other reports that didn't verify what he made.

                  When they say "he made a reported..." they've got no facts. They're just reporting what someone else claimed.
                  Dude, that's Forbes, one of the foremost financial publications in the world.

                  They don't get stuff like that wrong.

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                  • Ray*
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                    #29
                    Only time would tell, since he turned down the guaranteed 100M he has had two fights, since we are now talking about money then we know he earned way less against breazeale on showtime instead of the 20M he was offered on DAZN.

                    We know showtime then pulled out of the rematch with Ortiz because they didn't think it was financially rewarding for them to pick up that fight, with the fight going to FOX and both boxers guarantees totalling 4.5m, let's see how their PPV does. Its on FOX which i believe is more viewed than showtime in america.

                    If the fight sells well, then he would be vindicated for "Betting on himself" but it doesn't then he must be the dumbest boxer in the history of the sport for turning down guaranteed 100M for less than 30M over THREE fights.

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                    • Toffee
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by koolkc107
                      Dude, that's Forbes, one of the foremost financial publications in the world.

                      They don't get stuff like that wrong.
                      Correct. That's why they use the phrase "he was reported to have earned...". Or they quote Dan Rafael.

                      If they knew what he earned they would state "Wilder earned...".

                      They're reporting what others have reported. That's no more reliable than the original report.

                      Forbes are being very careful in what they're saying.

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