It does beg the question: WHY could Wilder not KO Fury?

[Combat Talk Radio]

Ruiz Jr would let his hands go and land on Wilder probably more than he did on AJ because of Wilders lack of defense. I do think Ruiz gets slept if caught clean but I also think he can hurt Wilder badly and early. It would be a firefight for as long as it lasted.

Wilder fights tall and only jabs to range find. The scenario you describe only happens if Ruiz can time the feint before the bomb - and I'm not sure he can.

[Murcielago]

He will next time. GUARANTEED.

[Damn Wicked]

Sure, Stiverne survived the first, but that's because Wilder never loaded up. He connected, but not with full power in the first fight.

The first time Wilder connected on Fury was a flash knockdown, easily. But late game that was flush on the button...and it didn't knock Fury out. Might have stunned him for 5 seconds or so, but I still say Fury laying on the mat was more about ring IQ to avoid a Zab Judah Bambi situation getting up too fast. Confirmed by Fury proceeding to go right back to outboxing Wilder that round.

But how/why was that possible?

Can't be weight because Stiverne.
Can't be height because Breezy.

Makes me wonder if the fact it was late round took just enough off of Wilder's power to prevent a complete nap. Meaning Fury's strategy was spot on - outbox and keep defensive - and he just got sloppy.

Because if that's true, it means Andy Ruiz has no chance in hell, because he'd get caught early just like he did against Joshua.

Means Tyson Fury is really the only guy who has a chance to beat Wilder. A strong chance.

Fury is insane. When people are crazy they can get buzzed but they will recover very fast because of the enormous amounts of cortisol streaming into their brains. Insanity is like being on highly stimulating drugs. Lunatics are hard to keep down. Insanity can be a handicap or an advantage. You can even see Fury get that adrenaline/ cortisol surge when he's being interviewed quite often. He's not a laid back, mellow, easy going type of guy...He's f0cking nuts! That mindset can keep you upright, it can keep you from going to sleep, and it can raise you from the dead quickly if you do get put down. I've had a few experiences like that in my life...I'm a bit "hyper"...let's just say.......

[Damn Wicked]

I think he could have and nearly did. The straight right landed last night might have done it, the monster shot that slept Breazeale I think would have.

Breazeale is a sluggish, defensively irresponsible robot...Nobody thought that he matched up competitively against Wilder who's a fast powerful, rangy heavyweight.
The guy that fought Breazeale just before Wilder was giving Breazeale all kinds of hell until Dominick got the KO. Breazeale looked like complete crap in the previous fight before he fought Wilder and he's always been slow as molasses. Just a big heavyweight with power, that's it.

[4truth]

Breazeale is a sluggish, defensively irresponsible robot...Nobody thought that he matched up competitively against Wilder who's a fast powerful, rangy heavyweight.
The guy that fought Breazeale just before Wilder was giving Breazeale all kinds of hell until Dominick got the KO. Breazeale looked like complete crap in the previous fight before he fought Wilder and he's always been slow as molasses. Just a big heavyweight with power, that's it.

I don’t disagree but the thread is asking the question why Fury survived. My point was that the same punch that slept Breazeale likely finishes Fury too.
That Breazeale is easier to hit and hit cleanly is a given. Also, a factor is that by the 12th, when Wilder finally did catch Fury with a solid shot, Wilder was somewhat spent.

[Combat Talk Radio]

I don’t disagree but the thread is asking the question why Fury survived. My point was that the same punch that slept Breazeale likely finishes Fury too.
That Breazeale is easier to hit and hit cleanly is a given. Also, a factor is that by the 12th, when Wilder finally did catch Fury with a solid shot, Wilder was somewhat spent.

But that's just it. If Wilder has no KO power late in the fight, if in the rematch he only catches Fury again in the 12th, that WBC is changing hands.

[4truth]

But that's just it. If Wilder has no KO power late in the fight, if in the rematch he only catches Fury again in the 12th, that WBC is changing hands.

Saying Wilder has no KO power in the 12th is a gross overstatement. It’s a theory though that hasn’t had much testing, few of Wilder’s fights see 12. Also, let’s not pretend that Fury almost didn’t beat the count.

I’m looking forward to the rematch equally as much as I am the Ruiz/Joshua rematch. I just hope this one has a fair conclusion without controversy.

[Articulateboxin]

I think we are getting a little carried away with Wilder's power. If you watch the knockout trajectory of a world champion, it drops as they meet elite opposition. Wilder has only met 1 elite opponent and failed to get the knock out. Fury doesn't even have a great chin, he's been put down hard, by a cruiserweight - he just has great powers of recovery. Now there is no doubt Wilder's power is insane, but you can't measure it on a 40 year old who has 1 significant win. Let's see him make some defences against live bodies and if and when he knocks them all out, we can revisit this!

[Combat Talk Radio]

Saying Wilder has no KO power in the 12th is a gross overstatement. It’s a theory though that hasn’t had much testing, few of Wilder’s fights see 12. Also, let’s not pretend that Fury almost didn’t beat the count.

I’m looking forward to the rematch equally as much as I am the Ruiz/Joshua rematch. I just hope this one has a fair conclusion without controversy.

Again, the two times Wilder saw the 12th didn't end in a KO. Statistics: 100% of the times that he's seen the 12th round, he has not gotten a KO.

I think we are getting a little carried away with Wilder's power. If you watch the knockout trajectory of a world champion, it drops as they meet elite opposition. Wilder has only met 1 elite opponent and failed to get the knock out. Fury doesn't even have a great chin, he's been put down hard, by a cruiserweight - he just has great powers of recovery. Now there is no doubt Wilder's power is insane, but you can't measure it on a 40 year old who has 1 significant win. Let's see him make some defences against live bodies and if and when he knocks them all out, we can revisit this!

Live bodies? Wilder faced plenty of of.

Elite? Sure, you can make a case, but even Douglas was able to KO an elite. I don't think that's a good measure.

[deathofaclown]

Fury can take a shot and recover very well.

He’s been down before, but he always gets up with stable legs and a clear head. Anyone can be knocked down, some of the best chins in boxing history have been put down. But it’s how you get up.

Obviously Fury has excellent recovery powers.

But it’s also normal that when you face the top fighters, your knockouts stop coming. Fury is the only top fighter Wilder has faced. Ortiz isn’t a real top fighter, one win over Jennings years ago and even he wasn’t that good.

Look at GGG, nobody could last 12 with him until he was fighting the top guys. Wlad had about 50 knockouts but he never stopped the better names like Povetkin, Haye, Fury etc..

So there’s an argument for that too. Wilder faces 1 elite fighter and he can’t stop them. Had he faced more, he might have less knockouts.