Historian Monte Cox: Floyd no top 10 welter. No ATG.

[Johnny Rubber]

Whoever this ****** is no one cares about what he has to say. The moment he said Floyd avoided Mosley and Pacquiao then you know he ain’t no historian.

Well, you clearly care enough to comment. Floyd was a serial retiree and avoided guys at their peak, which has been identified by a lot of boxing historians. If you read these articles with that in mind......you wont keep getting upset.

Cheers

[Luilun]

He would lose to most on that list and you can add Roberto Duran and Wilfred Benitez

[travestyny]

This. Ffs SSM, who Im a fan of, clearly said he didnt wanna fight Floyd on f#cking HBO.



I mean the fact his list includes a whole discussion on why Floyd isnt in it is weirdo sh^t.

Fair play to not have Floyd in your top ten of all time. But to mention Floyd by name & talk all this weirdo sh^t its beyond obvious this guy has some weirdo agenda or just a bias against Floyd. Mfers let Floyd get too into their feelings & wanna try to diminish or hurt Floyd by any means necessary. Its childish & silly sh^t.

lol. This right here. Good shlt as always.

[FredRekk]

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/divisional_ratings.html

Those are all facts.
Plus, Serafim whooped Floyd’s arse.

[boliodogs]

Just one man's opinion worth no more or less than any other man's opinion. I never heard of this guy. If he ranks the welterweights that way then good for him. He has the right to rank them anyway he wants to. That doesn't mean anyone has to agree with him and I don't agree with much of his rankings.

[YGriffith]

1 Ray Robinson 2-2-1
2 Ray Leonard 10-2
3 Mickey Walker 2-0
4 Thomas Hearns 16-4-1
5 Joe Walcott 0-0
6 Jose Napoles 15-3
7 Kid Gavilan 2-0
8 Emile Griffith 10-7
9 Ted “Kid” Lewis only british level
10 Luis Rodriguez 1-3
These are their records in world title fights compared to floyd's 26-0.

[TonyGe]

Bat, again, my problem isn't Cox ranking him outside the top 10, my problem is the reasoning he gave. His reasoning isn't factual.

Whether you agree or disagree with him, the fact he claims Floyd never unified is a glaringly false statement that seriously brings into question his credibility and knowledge of the sport. His using "Floyd avoided fights with Mosley, Margarito and Pacquiao when they meant something" is also false.

He could've made the exact same argument using facts (like what I posted) and people would still agree with him only his credibility couldn't be questioned. Doing it this way makes him look extremely biased.

The article was written in 2012. Actually it was updated in 2012. Floyd was not unified at that point in time.He didn't unify till 2013. Floyd hadn't fought Pacquiao yet. A lot of events occurred after 2012 that would impact Cox's opinion. That's the problem with forming opinions before the fighter has retired.

[The Big Dunn]

The article was written in 2012. Actually it was updated in 2012. Floyd was not unified at that point in time.He didn't unify till 2013. Floyd hadn't fought Pacquiao yet. A lot of events occurred after 2012 that would impact Cox's opinion. That's the problem with forming opinions before the fighter has retired.

Yeah I didn't realize the article was from 2012.

[TonyGe]

1 Ray Robinson 2-2-1
2 Ray Leonard 10-2
3 Mickey Walker 2-0
4 Thomas Hearns 16-4-1
5 Joe Walcott 0-0
6 Jose Napoles 15-3
7 Kid Gavilan 2-0
8 Emile Griffith 10-7
9 Ted “Kid” Lewis only british level
10 Luis Rodriguez 1-3
These are their records in world title fights compared to floyd's 26-0.

Ray Robinson fought in an era when there weren't multiple ranking organizations with multiple belt holders in each division. So trying to compare based on numbers isn't realistic. Pretty sure non title fights involving a champion were more common in those days also.

[TonyGe]

Yeah I didn't realize the article was from 2012.

Yeah someone else mentioned it in the thread so I checked and sure enough it's an old article. Like I said trying to rate a fighter before he's retired for good is likely to blow up.