Clenbuterol doesn't do nothing

[Thuglife Nelo]

Burden of proof, huh? Well we ain't a court of law and I ain't claimed the dude's guilty, so that's kinda besides the point. Does US law also require that you believe every piece of misdirection that's thrown your way by those with vested interest?

****, man, my son's been asking me why I've been laughing so hard.

Only on NSB can you be called a sociopath for merely questioning the innocence of a man who failed a drug test.

Fact of the matter is: VADA and USADA were exonerating athletes for Clen before Canelo, and even now, WADA changed policy in 2019 and NOW WBC-CBP have as well.

In a real court of law, murder is murder. YOu can't 50/50 with Clen. the WBC CBP just acknowledged this. I've been saying since Canelo's scandal, how have other athletes been exonerated but he wasn't. If was guilty then VADA's lab contracted with SMRTL wouldn't even need to make headlines that his RESULTS with consistency with meat contamination.

Look at Contador. He had a finding while performing his event.

His findings were like while competing to completion, more or less:

Tuesday: Negative
Wednesday: Negative
Thursday: Positive
Friday: Negative
Saturday Event finished: Negative

Wouldn't we all question the nano trace on Thursday in which its trying to be laid on Canelo?

Again, Vargas, 45 days away. Why did VADA tell CSAC that everything was ok?

[Citizen Koba]

Don't be silly. Trace amounts of a weight loss drug, consistent with levels found in clen-fed cow meat, is definitely a huge performance boost.

People want to hold on dearly to "muh positive test doe" when it is now understood that the detection thresholds were previously too low and that Canelo's test shouldn't have been positive.

Just to clarify, man, they still got no way of distinguishing between a PED dose taken weeks ago and contamination dose ingested days ago. Clenbuterol elimination can be described as a half life (of about 36 hours in humans) so after 3 days you'll have a 1/4 the concentration in urine, after 6 days a 1/16 and so on. There's no way of telling how much was originally taken without knowing when it was taken or ingested.

If Clenbuterol is found in any level in athletes who come from regions not subject to meat contamination they still get banned, so recent rulings from WADA and the WBC can't be taken as admission that levels of Clenbuterol under the threshold provide no benfit or else why not extend the threshold to the rest of the globe? It's simply a recognition of the impossibility of proving guilt where meat contamination is a possibility and a reflection of a reasonable concern that the innocent should not be punished.

Besides WADA would be fucked if every Mexican, Chinese and Guatamalan athlete who poped for Clen decided to drag it through the courts... expedience is a real issue here I think, though on the positive side WADA funded research is underway which will hopefully yield an effective discriminatory hair strand test within the next few years (the WADA stakeholders notice states the current Clenbuterol protocols as interim until 2021 so I have hopes they're expecting some positive progress by then).

Whether you feel that the rights of the innocent should be prioritised over the rights of a mano a mano opponent (as in boxing) is a complex question, but in most other sports I don't think it's a particularly unreasonable decision.

[Citizen Koba]

Fact of the matter is: VADA and USADA were exonerating athletes for Clen before Canelo, and even now, WADA changed policy in 2019 and NOW WBC-CBP have as well.

In a real court of law, murder is murder. YOu can't 50/50 with Clen. the WBC CBP just acknowledged this. I've been saying since Canelo's scandal, how have other athletes been exonerated but he wasn't. If was guilty then VADA's lab contracted with SMRTL wouldn't even need to make headlines that his RESULTS with consistency with meat contamination.

Look at Contador. He had a finding while performing his event.

His findings were like while competing to completion, more or less:

Tuesday: Negative
Wednesday: Negative
Thursday: Positive
Friday: Negative
Saturday Event finished: Negative

Wouldn't we all question the nano trace on Thursday in which its trying to be laid on Canelo?

Again, Vargas, 45 days away. Why did VADA tell CSAC that everything was ok?

I'm not quite sure what you're saying. Is this that thing about VADA, the WBC and the various SACs being inconsistent again? I'm sure they are, both in this and other matters.

And yeah, we know you can't prove from a urine test whether Clen was used deliberately or not. That's all I've ever been saying. If you could we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

Oh. And ummm... how you using the term 'nano trace' here?

[DreamFighter]

it mimics minor effects of steroids, and thru conversions i tihnk can end up as a steroid, but its not by definition a steroid.


Thats why people saying it isnt one, are right, and why people who say it works as a steroid, are right too.

Is it used for cheating? Course, it trims you up before events.

it has no use to pack on muscle like some steroids.

Thats not to say that others here havent added lots of valid statements too, but I dont have all night to read all of it.

[CHOWWOKKA]

I've been thinking about using it to help with losing weight without muscle.
Did you get much benefits out of it?

I did it definitely helps but like with anything you still need to maintain your deficit. The only downside for me was I used the dripper because its easier but it just taste like dog vomit. And that's something I could never get used to

[DreamFighter]

oh and canelo beat GGG, deal with it.

[GhostofDempsey]

It actually does something, that's why countless athletes are popped for it. It helps to trim fat while retaining muscle.

[Citizen Koba]

it mimics minor effects of steroids, and thru conversions i tihnk can end up as a steroid, but its not by definition a steroid.


Thats why people saying it isnt one, are right, and why people who say it works as a steroid, are right too.

Is it used for cheating? Course, it trims you up before events.

it has no use to pack on muscle like some steroids.

Thats not to say that others here havent added lots of valid statements too, but I dont have all night to read all of it.

Beta2 agonist...and if what I've read is correct you got that just about **** on. The beta agonists are their own class of drug but have various similarities in effects to stimulants and steroids. Curiously WADA classify Clenbuterol as an anabolic rather than with the other beta agonists.... umm. following the reference it looks like it's because of a study showing that using it as a bronchodilator gave little to no performance boost to athletes.


Here's what wiki has to say at least, but the footnotes give a shetload more info for anyone who's interested

Clenbuterol is a β2 agonist with some structural and pharmacological similarities to epinephrine and salbutamol, but its effects are more potent and longer-lasting as a stimulant and thermogenic drug.[citation needed] It is commonly used for smooth muscle-relaxant properties as a bronchodilator and tocolytic.

It is classified by the World Anti-Doping Association as an anabolic agent, not as a β2 agonist.[4]

Clenbuterol is also prescribed for treatment of respiratory diseases for horses, and not in dogs and cats; it is illegal in most countries to use in livestock used for food

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clenbuterol

[Thuglife Nelo]

I'm not quite sure what you're saying. Is this that thing about VADA, the WBC and the various SACs being inconsistent again? I'm sure they are, both in this and other matters.

And yeah, we know you can't prove from a urine test whether Clen was used deliberately or not. That's all I've ever been saying. If you could we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

Oh. And ummm... how you using the term 'nano trace' here?

[Satir]

Maybe it doesnt do nothing but Canelo grew up from 155 to 175 in quit short period of time, or was he a weight bully at 155 (canelo division) who used diuretics to drain himself and was naturally much bigger man, especialy the night of the fight?