Clenbuterol doesn't do nothing

[Thuglife Nelo]

Don't be silly. Trace amounts of a weight loss drug, consistent with levels found in clen-fed cow meat, is definitely a huge performance boost.

People want to hold on dearly to "muh positive test doe" when it is now understood that the detection thresholds were previously too low and that Canelo's test shouldn't have been positive.

too low? lol. Vargas was double the amounts of Canelo

Clenbuterol,

CSAC: ''we were told the amounts were so low and so far away from the fight, that the fight was fair...''

VADA, whom did Vargas vs Salido

I agree.

[Citizen Koba]

There is 100% some low level half do nothing sh^t on the banned substances list. But idk that Id put this one towards the bottom. Granted its not at the top either. More middle of the road. Its a do something banned substances.

There's a good number, man, hell caffeine's more potent than a good number of the stimulants on there (and they did try to ban it, but unsurprisingly expedience won the day ). And that is a worthwhile discussion. As I've said elsewhere the WADA banned list is just as plagued with contradictions and outright weirdness as your average nation's illicit drugs list, and for much the same reasons; there's very little clarity over what the actual purpose is... level playing field, health and safety, or some kinda moralistic weirdness tied up with PR and political expedience.

[ReggieKray]

So you acknowledge that muscle gained and fat lost even a few months out from a fight could still be of benefit then - even if it just means less time dieting and on S&C in camp so there's more time to focus on sharpening your game?
No need to answer man.

And as to 'trace results' now - why don't you have a little think about that. What do you think happens to a drug in your body, man? Does it stay there forever? Does it all disappear from your body at the same moment? Think carefully... or does it gradually get eliminated so that no matter how much of the damn stuff you put in in the first place eventually there will be only a 'trace' left (however you define 'trace', and if you want we can discuss how the WBC have played fast and lose with that term)?

And you might want to think about that term 'consistent with' also... what does it actually mean? Think carefully, man.

Does it mean that a particular hypothesis has been proven? No. What it means is that the facts available do not contradict a particular hypothesis, it absolutely does not rule out the possibility that an alternative hypothesis could also fit the available facts. In this case one would say - if one was being impartial - that Canelo's test results were consistent both with contaminated meat being consumed within a few days of his tests and with having been using Clenbuterol the****utically some time earlier (probably on the scale of having last used 2 - 3 weeks prior based on a normal the****utic dose).

If the results had proved meat contamination this debate would have died out long ago. But they don't.

And as to hating, I'd just hold your horses, man. I've never claimed Canelo deliberately used Clenbuterol as a PED, all I've done is try to explain to people that despite the smokecreen and obfuscation thrown up by the WBC and certain posters on here his innocence is not established either.

EDIT: Oh. And your respect, man? I give less fucks than you can possibly imagine.

Your obsession to doubt his innocence and poison the well with public slander gives you away. There is no need to do that unless you secretly wish you could prove his innocence otherwise. To sit here and make up hypothetical situation to slander someone for is what is sick about this situation and unnecessary. If you don't think that is hating, then that's fine. But you might have to consider that you are a sociopath.

[Citizen Koba]

Your obsession to doubt his innocence and poison the well with public slander gives you away. There is no need to do that unless you secretly wish you could prove his innocence otherwise. To sit here and make up hypothetical situation to slander someone for is what is sick about this situation and unnecessary. If you don't think that is hating, then that's fine. But you might have to consider that you are a sociopath.

A sociopath huh? My ex used to say that too, bless her lying little socks. She's dead now.

I doubt his innocence simply because his innocence isn't proven. The real question is why you want him to be innocent so bad.

[ReggieKray]

A sociopath huh? My ex used to say that too, bless her lying little socks. She's dead now.

I doubt his innocence simply because his innocence isn't proven. The real question is why you want him to be innocent so bad.

In America we're innocent until proven guilty. This is a natural human right obviously ignored by some nations.

[Citizen Koba]

In America we're innocent until proven guilty. This is a natural human right obviously ignored by some nations.

Burden of proof, huh? Well we ain't a court of law and I ain't claimed the dude's guilty, so that's kinda besides the point. Does US law also require that you believe every piece of misdirection that's thrown your way by those with vested interest?

****, man, my son's been asking me why I've been laughing so hard.

Only on NSB can you be called a sociopath for merely questioning the innocence of a man who failed a drug test.

[Eff Pandas]

There's a good number, man, hell caffeine's more potent than a good number of the stimulants on there (and they did try to ban it, but unsurprisingly expedience won the day ). And that is a worthwhile discussion. As I've said elsewhere the WADA banned list is just as plagued with contradictions and outright weirdness as your average nation's illicit drugs list, and for much the same reasons; there's very little clarity over what the actual purpose is... level playing field, health and safety, or some kinda moralistic weirdness tied up with PR and political expedience.

Been saying the same so 100% agree.

If WADA & the other agencies who deal with it realllllllly wanted to impact change with PEDs in sports they'd quit acting like most if not all banned substances & the reasons & timeliness of its usage are created equal. They need to go harder on this mfers doing science experiments on their bodies & lighter on these more injury, tainted supplement & just low level kinda w/e to bs banned substances.

Definitely not an easy game of cat & mouse being played so its easy to say x, y & z needs to happen, but these mfers been playing the wrong game for too long all damn ready so they need to switch it up a lil.

[Ulver]

It's literally a weak steroid, if anything like that. Now if Canelo got busted for HGH, or Dianabol, a legit steroid, then you can say something. As it stands, Clownelo is barely avg even with the so-called steroids. Steroids barely even help anyway; y'all overrate the importance of steroids, it barely gives you an improvement. I've seen some nattys' that look better than Clownelo.

"Clenelo" is the proper name there.....

[Ulver]

Burden of proof, huh? Well we ain't a court of law and I ain't claimed the dude's guilty, so that's kinda besides the point. Does US law also require that you believe every piece of misdirection that's thrown your way by those with vested interest?

****, man, my son's been asking me why I've been laughing so hard.

Only on NSB can you be called a sociopath for merely questioning the innocence of a man who failed a drug test.

I wonder if there's a connection between intense Clenelo fandom and the notion that taking clenbuterlol is no biggie?

[Biolink]

Stay way from that super mercado beef Canelo