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  • kafkod
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    #11
    Originally posted by Marchegiano
    Why didn't he fight Ortiz or Pulev? I can find articles announcing the elims but nothing about what happened and why they didn't fight, well nothing quickly anyway.
    For Pulev he would have had to go to Bulgaria and he would have been paid $200k, if I remember correctly. He pulled out because he was offered Joseph Parker, in the UK, as a PPV headline fight, for a 7 figure purse.

    The "final eliminator" with Ortiz was a classic piece of WBC bullshit. The winner wouldn't have become the WBC mandatory, he would have become the "second mandatory" ... next in line after Breazeal, which is where Whyte was anyway, until the UKAD fiasco blew up.

    Whyte and Hearn informed the WBC that if the Ortiz fight was a bona fide final eliminator - as in, the winner is next in line for a mandatory shot - they would take it, but that wasn't what they were being offered.

    And if Dillian had accepted that fight, would Ortiz have gone through with it?

    I have my doubts about that. Ortiz said he was ready for it, but he also said he was ready to step in and fight AJ after Miller got popped, then turned down the chance when he was offered it for the same money as Miller would have got.

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      #12
      Originally posted by Marchegiano
      To be fair, currently Luis isn't under any kind of investigation.
      And to be fair to Whyte, he passed all his VADA tests for Rivas and the UKAD test result has still not been fully investigated. Or if it has, the outcome of the investigation hasn't been announced.

      If Whyte ends up being exonerated - like Ortiz was when he got popped by VADA before the Wilder fight - is it fair for the WBC to punish Dillian because UKAD "legal proceedings" take a hundred years to complete and nobody is allowed to say anything about them till it's all done and dusted?

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        #13
        Originally posted by ShaneMosleySr
        WBC and IBF. He also turned down a title shot against Joshua.
        We're talking about the WBC title. Whyte was never offered a bona fide final eliminator by the WBC.

        But, in case you missed the news, Ortiz also turned down a title shot with AJ for a lot more money than Dillian was offered.

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          #14
          Originally posted by kafkod
          And to be fair to Whyte, he passed all his VADA tests for Rivas and the UKAD test result has still not been fully investigated. Or if it has, the outcome of the investigation hasn't been announced.

          If Whyte ends up being exonerated - like Ortiz was when he got popped by VADA before the Wilder fight - is it fair for the WBC to punish Dillian because UKAD "legal proceedings" take a hundred years to complete and nobody is allowed to say anything about them till it's all done and dusted?
          I dunno, did Ortiz fight while under investigation?

          Personally I don't giva **** if Whyte did pop dirty actually. PED testing ain't stopped **** but good fights. But if they treat Whyte like Ortiz, ****'s fair at least.

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            #15
            Whyte should give Parker the rematch he deserves and his fans need to be a little more honest about the career choices Whyte has made and why.
            Also, he got caught cheating, stop denying that.

            Whyte is an exciting hw with good power, he’s good for boxing but let’s be honest.

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              #16
              Originally posted by Marchegiano
              I dunno, did Ortiz fight while under investigation?

              Personally I don't giva **** if Whyte did pop dirty actually. PED testing ain't stopped **** but good fights. But if they treat Whyte like Ortiz, ****'s fair at least.
              No, but the investigation into his case was concluded in time for the fight to be rescheduled and go ahead.

              Under UKAD and BBoC rules, Whyte had the right to ask for an immediate expedited hearing into his test result by an independent panel, and they provisionally cleared him in time for the fight to go ahead as scheduled.

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                #17
                Originally posted by kafkod
                Not as fortunate as Luis Ortiz, who also failed multiple PED tests in his career, has never won a WBC final eliminator or beaten any top 10 contenders since 2015, but has still been given 2 shots at the title.

                Note: One of Whytes PED tests failures has yet to ruled on, the other was for an out of date, over the counter energy drink.
                What is there to rule on? He tested positive, he's dirty. Only in a sham sport like boxing do we need rulings on positive drug tests. The ruling had already been handed down by the test.

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                  #18
                  He was offered a final eliminator by the IBF and WBC. He said no to both.

                  Ortiz turned down Joshua because Deontay Wilder was paying him more than Joshua offered, as reported by Mike Coppinger.

                  Originally posted by kafkod
                  We're talking about the WBC title. Whyte was never offered a bona fide final eliminator by the WBC.

                  But, in case you missed the news, Ortiz also turned down a title shot with AJ for a lot more money than Dillian was offered.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Pigeons
                    What is there to rule on? He tested positive, he's dirty. Only in a sham sport like boxing do we need rulings on positive drug tests. The ruling had already been handed down by the test.
                    That's ridiculous. Have you been reading Kafka? Boxing follows WADA regulations, the same as every other sport. Under WADA regulations, any athlete who appeals against a positive test result is entitled to an investigation, followed by a ruling based on the evidence collected.

                    Canelo got an investigation before he was banned. Ortiz and Yilderim got investigations after being popped and they were both exonerated.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by ShaneMosleySr
                      He was offered a final eliminator by the IBF and WBC. He said no to both.

                      Ortiz turned down Joshua because Deontay Wilder was paying him more than Joshua offered, as reported by Mike Coppinger.
                      Whyte was never offered a final eliminator for the WBC mando spot.

                      Ortiz wasn't offered more money by Wilder than he would have got from AJ.

                      Has he been guaranteed more than $7million?

                      Duh ... yeah, cuz Mike Coppinger said it ...

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