NSB: Do you understand now why Carnelo is #1 P4P? DO YOU?

[yankees7448]

Resume. WHO DID YOU BEAT?

How many times does this guy have to show up before you believe?

Terence Crawford has NO win anywhere close to that. Neither does Loma. In a weight class he's never fought at.

Cherry *****king picker. Kovalev wasn't going to win this fight. He wouldn't have even gotten this fight if he represented a real threat. Canelo just picked the most vulnerable looking champion yet again and people keep trying to fondle his nuts for doing it. Give me a break.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Cherry *****king picker. Kovalev wasn't going to win this fight. He wouldn't have even gotten this fight if he represented a real threat. Canelo just picked the most vulnerable looking champion yet again and people keep trying to fondle his nuts for doing it. Give me a break.

"At the end of the day", Kovalev is a name and a top guy at LHW. Don't blame Carnelo for doing smart business. Blame the weak roster.

[Combat Talk Radio]

The reason is that it's entirely subjective. This is the reason I don't subscribe to P4P at all.

If you're asking the question 'who has the best resume in the sport?' then it's obviously between Canelo and Pac' but if you're asking the question 'who would win if they were the same size?' which is how P4P is most often phrased, then anyone's free to pick who the hell they like.

Ultimately, all you need to do is compare how Carnelo KO'd Khan vs Craword's low blow stoppage of the same Khan ; then compare Carnelo slumping Kovalev vs Crawford stopping Horn on his feet.

Even if you ignore resume like casuals do and only care about 'eye test' it's still not a debate. There's just no way to justify Crawford as #1 anything.

[yankees7448]

"At the end of the day", Kovalev is a name and a top guy at LHW. Don't blame Carnelo for doing smart business. Blame the weak roster.

Weak roster my ass. He chose the weakest available champion. Period. There were plenty of compelling fights out there but Canelo chose a guy who lost 3 of his past 7 and two by KO.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Weak roster my ass. He chose the weakest available champion. Period. There were plenty of compelling fights out there but Canelo chose a guy who lost 3 of his past 7 and two by KO.

He chose a CHAMPION over a non champion.

Once again, we need to STOP with this nonsense. I said it before. This is a BUSINESS. A NAME is a NAME. That's all that matters. Not you elitists who just want guys to fight the latest 'eye test' that shows up.

He fought, and is fighting, the right NAMES at the right time - his prime. As a result his resume won't be surpassed in the near future. Which is as it should be.

[ReggieKray]

Canelo is p4p #1. The issue here is that there is no one like Canelo in Loma's and Crawford's divisions to put them in their place. You also have Loma looking the other way and sinking to lower divisions to pray on. As for Crawford he is good but if he ever faced Canelo I think he would be humbled. Tbh, I think Canelo would be the only one to humble Crawford and thats why I think he's a #2 p4p close to Nelo.

[UNBANNED]

Easily #1 p4p

Canelo is putting in an all time great career. I don’t think he should stay at 175, but he can dominate at 168 IMO.

He’s done more than anyone to be P4P #1.

If Canelo became the heavyweight champion he would still be hated on.

Agree, he should be no.1

I had picked Kovalev to win and he was on his way to that, I had him up 6-4. He was using his reach and jab and fighting a smart fight. I thought he had it won. For Canelo to KO the bigger man that decisively, that’s an all time resume builder.

I bet $50 on Kovy to win...was getting insane odds. I also thought Kova would discourage Canelo a bit more than he did, but Canelo and his team appropriately scouted the fight. They saw some key things that indicated Kovas worsening stamina and punch resistance.

Nonetheless Canelo moved up 2 weight classes and stopped a career LHW who just outboxed and beat, including 1 stoppage, TWO UNDEFEATED LHWs who punch harder than Canelo and probably have better punch resistance

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Weak roster my ass. He chose the weakest available champion. Period. There were plenty of compelling fights out there but Canelo chose a guy who lost 3 of his past 7 and two by KO.

This is literally the definition of "hater".

This kid complains that Canelo moved up two weight classes to "fight the weakest champion" who by the way is a Hall of Famer..and coming off back to back wins against undefeated LHW fighters

[Combat Talk Radio]

Canelo is p4p #1. The issue here is that there is no one like Canelo in Loma's and Crawford's divisions to put them in their place. You also have Loma looking the other way and sinking to lower divisions to pray on. As for Crawford he is good but if he ever faced Canelo I think he would be humbled. Tbh, I think Canelo would be the only one to humble Crawford and thats why I think he's a #2 p4p close to Nelo.

But based on what?

If Jeff Horn took him 9 and one-legged Benavidez took him damn near 12 while a significantly damaged Amir Khan took him past 6, what qualifies him #2?

I mean hell, I rate Loma higher than Crawford right now and damn sure Spence higher than Crawford. Because of resume in the CURRENT weight class.

In other words I keep asking people. IGNORE HIS 140 WINS. Tell me right now why Crawford is #2 - much less Top 5 - BASED ON HIS 147 resume?

[deanrw]

You cannot go by just the resume. You also have to go by how they won (or lost), controversies, skillsets etc. Otherwise lets throw Jean Pascal on the list also. His resume of opponents is super impressive.