Comments Thread For: IBHOF Modern Ballot: Rule Changes Create Tough Decisions For 2020

[macman]

Tarver odd man out

Tarver seems to be the only one of your choices that seem debatable.
Would have Sergio Martinez over Tarver as he was considered the best at 154 & 160 for a decent amount of time, along with some big victories.
Tarver's best win was the reduced version of Jones that came back down from heavyweight...

[Oregonian]

I don’t want Mosley because he’s a cheat and admits it.

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Fair enough. I had forgotten about that

[ShoulderRoll]

Even if you feel that he did not deserve to get in on that basis, can we at least all acknowledge that that's what the IBHOF was thinking when they let him in?

If that's what they were thinking then they were wrong. Plain and simple. They shouldn't have allowed that to become a reason for getting in.

Butterbean deserves enshrinement too if that's the case. As do a bunch of other lesser talents who were "exciting."

[BrometheusBob.]

If that's what they were thinking then they were wrong. Plain and simple. They shouldn't have allowed that to become a reason for getting in.

Butterbean deserves enshrinement too if that's the case. As do a bunch of other lesser talents who were "exciting."

I think it's borderline disrespectful to put butterbean in the conversation of a legend like Gatti.

My point is, even if they were wrong to do so, they didn't put him in based on resume. So comparing resumes to his to say so and so also deserves to get in is just being difficult.

[New England]

Bro, with recent names that have entered I don't feel good about those names being presented for consideration to enter the HOF. The bar is very low.

three fighters per year will be getting in, and there are plenty of good ones. some might slip through the cracks and make it in on a weak year, like tim bradley, but he's a good fighter and i won't go crazy about it. think about it, klitschko, ward, pacquiao, roman gonzalez, floyd freaking mayweather there are some very terrific fighters who are going to be retiring or have recently retired and they'll trickle in 2-3 at a time the way they always do.


also, we need to stop thinking abotu the hall of fame as this big deal. it's not an insult for arturo gatti to be in there. that thinking needs to change dramatically. it was concocted in the 80's by some farmers to honor carmen basilio and a few others, and after picking up some steam and the town of canastota realizing there was some money to be made they decided to make a boxing hall of fame. if i still wrote about boxing i'd probably have a vote by now. it's just a bunch of people organizing a museum, really. there is no "official" criteria for voting people in, you use your gut and ideally you only speak about fighters who you have researched freakishly, or whose careers you saw in person and ideally with your own eyes at one point.

[New England]

I think it's borderline disrespectful to put butterbean in the conversation of a legend like Gatti.

My point is, even if they were wrong to do so, they didn't put him in based on resume. So comparing resumes to his to say so and so also deserves to get in is just being difficult.

that guy has no idea what he's talking about. i think he's probably what, 20 years old? gatti was dead when he was a boy.

and it's a waste of your time to engage with anybody who insults a dead legend and distracts from the important topic at hand by saying four round club fighter, butterbean, is in the same discussion. gatti was a two time world champion. he basically had two careers. had totally been written off in the 90's, like his fights, and then he came back at 140 lbs and won another world title. he was in the best fight of the year four f#cking times.

that guy should be spanked by his mom for his posts.

[New England]

Tarver seems to be the only one of your choices that seem debatable.
Would have Sergio Martinez over Tarver as he was considered the best at 154 & 160 for a decent amount of time, along with some big victories.
Tarver's best win was the reduced version of Jones that came back down from heavyweight...

tarver reduced jones a lot more than coming back down from HW did. the first fight was very hard on jones and very close. most people don't remember that the knockout took place after jones coming back from 190 lbs [probably not much heavier than his walking weight, or his weight in the ring at 175,] and fighting tarver once in a very close fight! they also forget that jones stayed at 175 lbs for years after that, it's not like he was dying to get back down to 175 lbs.

tarver reduced jones in that second round. yall musta forgot! that's what really stopped roy jones from ever becoming roy jones again. and then glen johnson put the nails in his casket and sent him home.

[ShoulderRoll]

I think it's borderline disrespectful to put butterbean in the conversation of a legend like Gatti.

My point is, even if they were wrong to do so, they didn't put him in based on resume. So comparing resumes to his to say so and so also deserves to get in is just being difficult.

Butterbean was exciting as hell, Bro Bob. His fights almost always ended in knockouts.

If we are going to ignore resumes in favor of excitement and entertaining fights then it's fair to compare him to Gatti.

[xxlefthookxx]

I don't disagree that he got the win..

Tarver wasn't dominant enough for me to consider him first ballot HOFer, but that was no lucky punch against RJJr. He talked big to Roy then backed it up. Went 2 for 3 against Roy, in fact, and was very competitive in the one loss to him.

Luck is when preparation meets opportunity...yes...but his eyes are closed and he landed the perfect shot. The first fight was against a Roy losing 20+ pounds of muscle..the second finished him off. It still shouldn't get Tarver into the HOF.

[Zaroku]

what about southerland.. sic. spelling.. the mullet mauler..

1st ballot HOShameFighter.