Why is no on giving ggg credit for still being a top mw at 37?

[aboutfkntime]

The dude was an incredible am, winning a lot/hardly losing, winning a silver at the Olympics...maybe some heavies can win in the ams with limited skills, but I mean to have that success at MW is pretty good evidence the man has a lot of skills...also his jab is what has made him special imo, one of the best I have ever seen...that has helped to set up his power, which I agree is very very good.

Yeah man I disagree...only 2 tough/close fights I saw for GGG were vs Ouma early-ish in his career, which he ended definitively...and then vs SD, who I felt was better than GGG that night, but rd by rd I still had it 6-6 for a narrow GGG win...SD just got a bit unlucky imo that it wasn't a clear-ish 8-4 type victory for him...also with 4 of 6 of GGG's toughest fights (Canelo 2/Jacobs/SD) coming after 35+, it is probably fair to think this is not the best ever version of himself that we are seeing..his performance vs SD kind of solidified that view imo...I would also say that SD in my view did way better than Nelo (or Jacobs) did in his/their 2/3 fights with GGG.

Lemieux, Murray pretty clearly around the level of SD Canelo Jacobs...but because GGG smashed them I think those who want to slight GGG tend to leave them off the list of his..just my perception...but yeah as mentioned, from my analysis GGG's run vs a lot of those quality fighters is very rare, even for other ATGs...most have a slip up or two against those types of guys in their careers...as we say, styles make fights, and occasionally a 'lesser' fighter will pose a real challenge to a better fighter and can come away as the winner...GGG never had any real issues with any quality guys like that, except for Ouma, which he still 100% won.

Agree to disagree I suppose, don't really see the case against GGG being in the convo for GOAT at MW imo...certainly one of the ATGs there in that division.

Will be interesting to see what his career/future holds from here on out...physically I thought he looked pretty good vs SD, for whatever reason he just wasn't throwing the jab...but if that performance from him will be the norm going forward he should probably go on a little easy retirement tour, or retire...if he really wants Canelo 3 then go ahead I guess...but he will probably take more damage vs Nelo in fight 3 than he did vs SD, and that would be a lot, relatively speaking.

Canelo is CLEARLY an A fighter... Lemieux is CLEARLY not

fcuk you are a moron

[LetOutTheCage]

When have people ever given him credit in here. Half the posters seem to hate GGG's guts

[4truth]

When have people ever given him credit in here. Half the posters seem to hate GGG's guts

Nah, it’s just a very loud mouthed minority.

[Frozen Lime]

2015 was the last year of Golovkin's prime, even then he was past his absolute peak which was around 2012-2013. Just look at videos of him back then, he was so much sharper, with ferocious handspeed. It's frustrating watching him now because he just doesn't have it anymore.

The first fight I noticed cracks was against Murray in 2015. He got tired and didn't seem to quite have the same edge and explosiveness. Against Lemeuix that year as well he laboured somewhat as well.

Right now he's 70% of what he was, way past peak. He should retire before he gets badly hurt.

[strykr619]

In any other sport an athlete that competes at the highest level we give them praise. In soccer no one talks about who's better prime for prime. We always mention how good a players is over several years of his career. Consistency matters. Roy jones jr at 35 was getting koed cold by journeyman. Leonard was done late 30's. Ggg after being ducked for 10 years still competes at the highest level at 37. It's extremely rare for a fighter who's had several amateur fights to still compete as a top pro at 37.

You guys can say i'm making excuses but facts are facts. The all time greats get a pass for losing to bums but ggg at 37 still has to ko everyone, can't have tough fights and he's been exposed? LET ME GUESS. GGG AT 40 IS STILL IN HIS PRIME RIGHT? Wtf is that?

Um GGG did not look that good in his fight with Dervy. Either it really is true that he was fighting sick or he has slipped that badly.

I say this as a GGG fan, stop already, your making Objective GGG fans look ******.

[strykr619]

Canelo is CLEARLY an A fighter... Lemieux is CLEARLY not

fcuk you are a moron

A level fighters don't need PED's, sorry but that stain will mark him period. Its just like Mosley and the taint it has on his career.

[Boxing_1013]

he does not even have 1 great win lol

My friend, all we can do is look at the facts before us and call it like we see it...I think it makes you look small and takes away from any point you may have, when you try and insult a fighter or someone who disagrees with you, just because you don't like that fighter, or just because someone disagrees with you...just trying to help ya out with that, sincerely...I know you post on here a lot, and I think you would get more enjoyment out of the site if you just kept it a little more neutral and convivial.

We all won't always agree on here, no shame in that...a good debate is nice to have...also, when I am giving my opinion of a fighter, I am going by what I saw from them...I saw GGG beat Nelo twice...those would be 2 great wins for me...plus the manor in which GGG won almost all of his fights was 'great' considering how exceptional he was in those wins...I view the quality of those opponents as very good overall, you seem to not agree...well that is the way it goes sometimes.

Also it is pretty clear that if GGG has no great wins officially...Hagler only has 1...and Hagler has some bad losses officially, while GGG has none...so yeah I don't really get the over-rating of Hagler relative to GGG...even by the same standards people seem to elevate Hagler, it is hard to see how those same people slight GGG so heavily.

But yeah I guess agree to disagree here, no shame in that...honestly a little strange for someone to get so worked up just because someone has a different opinion lol...if someone has a different opinion than me that I think is strange, I may comment on it, but don't really see the point in getting so emotional about a different opinion lol.

If someone said Broner was an ATG I may say 'bro come on, take another look' and then move on with my life ...if they repeated it all the time, I mean they would just be making themselves look silly , I wouldn't need to chime in all the time and try and ridicule, and why would I lol, who cares ya know.

You seem to get super emotional and upset when someone says GGG was a great fighter lol...I mean I think Ward was really over-hyped/over-valued as a boxer...but when I break down why, I never really insult the guy...to me insulting a fighter like that and getting really emotional is indicative that you have some bias going in, and are not really evaluating things objectively, but with emotion, and what you WANT to be true...I just think as a man we should be better than that my friend.

If someone can name 5 better all-time MWs than GGG I will listen...if someone can say why Hagler's run at MW was really so superior to GGG's I will listen...a smart man always changes his mind when presented with better intel...but yeah in general there seems to be a lot of pushback against GGG that is way over the top imo.

How anyone can say he isn't an ATG at MW...I mean I just don't really see that one...athletes I think it is pretty clear get better over time...and GGG was the most recent guy at MW, and had a great long run with a lot of success and very few *****s in the armor...some more or less agree with me, some do not... I just honestly don't see why anyone gets so worked up about it like you do lol...but oh well man I do hope you have a great day! And maybe just woo-sah sometimes before you post my friend.

Canelo is CLEARLY an A fighter... Lemieux is CLEARLY not

Not really sure what your point was there lol...or why you tagged me in that.

I think Canelo is close to A level, this is true...Lemieux is not, I would agree...but as far as top quality fighters, Lemieux would be in GGG's list in a way, just as Hagler would have Mugabi in his.

A level fighters don't need PED's, sorry but that stain will mark him period. Its just like Mosley and the taint it has on his career.

I like Nelo but yeah it will be interesting how that all affects his legacy when it is all said and done.

[QueensburyRules]

In any other sport an athlete that competes at the highest level we give them praise. In soccer no one talks about who's better prime for prime. We always mention how good a players is over several years of his career. Consistency matters. Roy jones jr at 35 was getting koed cold by journeyman. Leonard was done late 30's. Ggg after being ducked for 10 years still competes at the highest level at 37. It's extremely rare for a fighter who's had several amateur fights to still compete as a top pro at 37.

You guys can say i'm making excuses but facts are facts. The all time greats get a pass for losing to bums but ggg at 37 still has to ko everyone, can't have tough fights and he's been exposed? LET ME GUESS. GGG AT 40 IS STILL IN HIS PRIME RIGHT? Wtf is that?

- -DAZN giving million$ of credit, but none for you.

[Jimmy 23]

Canelo and SD ruined satievs life

[aboutfkntime]

2015 was the last year of Golovkin's prime, even then he was past his absolute peak which was around 2012-2013. Just look at videos of him back then, he was so much sharper, with ferocious handspeed. It's frustrating watching him now because he just doesn't have it anymore.

The first fight I noticed cracks was against Murray in 2015. He got tired and didn't seem to quite have the same edge and explosiveness. Against Lemeuix that year as well he laboured somewhat as well.

Right now he's 70% of what he was, way past peak. He should retire before he gets badly hurt.

yep... it was when Ward called him out, that the cracks first started appearing