Why is no on giving ggg credit for still being a top mw at 37?

[QueensburyRules]

Because he didn't step up in competition until he was 34


It's not like he's a real ATG like Canelo or Floyd where they have been fighting the best since they were in their early 20's.

- -TUE 50-0 fighting setups in his early 20s.

For the OP: GGG quite popular as the level of his frothing, naysayer moaners show. Makes millions endorsing various corporate brands.

Moaners gonna moan means mo' manna for him.

[hugh grant]

There are many who won't even give Pac credit for doing it atb41? Or not give as much as they should do

[BaguMka]

F**ucking racist Latinos and African-Americans hate ggg only

[BaguMka]

And the way these little kids moan and bash ggg shows how good ggg is. He is future hall of famer and goat middleweight period

[RomanReigns]

41 years old Manny Pacquiao and 60 years old Bernard Hopkins said hold my beer.

[Rusty Tromboni]

In any other sport an athlete that competes at the highest level we give them praise. In soccer no one talks about who's better prime for prime. We always mention how good a players is over several years of his career. Consistency matters. Roy jones jr at 35 was getting koed cold by journeyman. Leonard was done late 30's. Ggg after being ducked for 10 years still competes at the highest level at 37. It's extremely rare for a fighter who's had several amateur fights to still compete as a top pro at 37.

You guys can say i'm making excuses but facts are facts. The all time greats get a pass for losing to bums but ggg at 37 still has to ko everyone, can't have tough fights and he's been exposed? LET ME GUESS. GGG AT 40 IS STILL IN HIS PRIME RIGHT? Wtf is that?

He's pretty impressive. I already rank him amongst the top 15 Middleweights.

Look at how long freddie steele was on top for. Look at how inconsistent apostoli and Burley were. Tiger was a flash in the pan. Hagler was done at 35. Hopkins didn't fight anyone with a pulse.

Golovkin is pretty incredible.

I still consider him top 10. He definitely fought a guy every bit as tough and hungry as Porter, and people are still trying to make the case for guys like SPence and Crawford who are in their prime, but don't look quite as good as GGG.

[Boxing_1013]

Golovkin has fought 42 times as a professional; meaning not too much disrespect to fighters stepping into the ring and putting their lives on the line, you may be able to count 8 of those fights as being true fights with any doubt when signed (Ouma as the first real trial horse, Rosado coming up from 154lbs, Geale, Murray as another trial horse, Brook coming up from 147lbs, Daniel Jacobs, Alvarez1, Alvarez2, and Derevyanchenko).

The fact that you're trying to elevate Curtis Stevens, a fighter arguably without a meaningful win over the course of his career is a bit much.

Not every fight is going to be a killer fight, but you judge middleweights by the real ones that they stepped in with.

Golovkin has been found lacking

I would count about 18 guys/19 fights myself...in addition to those 9 fighters/10 fights you mentioned...have to say Lemieux obviously...Macklin, Adama, Ishida, Proksa, Stevens, Rubio, Vanes, Rolls...those wins/guys aren't individually gonna get anyone in the HOF of course...but I felt all of those guys were quality fighters who posed some sort of challenge as an opponent.

Just from studying other guys' careers, I think most guys who have around 10 fights with guys on that level, the greats usually have 1 or 2 slip ups, with a loss/draw/controversial win in those...GGG had like 15 fights with guys on that level and never had one, and the only even somewhat competitive fight he had vs that level was vs Ouma, who before SD I think gave GGG his toughest fight ever...I had it basically even vs Ouma before GGG got the KO.

SD was a fortunate win for GGG in my eyes...I could see 6 rounds for GGG, but I felt SD was the better man that night, even tough I ended up with 6 rounds for GGG on my card...felt GGG beat Jacobs and Nelo 8-4 in those 3 fights though...and SD is pretty clearly a top level guy in a lot of ways...GGG at his age is also probably not at his best ever level, it is safe to say.

But all we can do is call it like we see it my friend...I just don't really see anyone else besides Hagler who at MW had the type of success/run GGG did...even B-Hop, I mean a lot of his wins at MW were not really that great ya know...but would certainly say he is in the convo for MW ATGs himself.

I tend to think athletes get better/stronger as eras go on, so that helps GGG's case in my view...and the fact that he fought basically his entire pro (and am) career at MW helps his case too...but yeah if people start throwing out names of ATG MWs that maybe I have forgotten, I reserve the right to drop GGG down on my list.

I just haven't really seen too many others around that weight all-time that I think are really on his level...just my 2 cents...I mean I respect former legends for sure...but watching highlights of guys like Monzon compared to today's fighters...I mean it's like a different game nowadays imo.

[aboutfkntime]

Respectfully I disagree...GGG's run at MW puts him up there with any other at MW all-time imo...Ouma for me was the only other guy who really ever gave GGG a tough 50/50 fight...walking through about 15 quality fighters is very impressive...most ATGs have a slip up or two in runs against that level opposition.

And I felt Jacobs and the 2 Nelo fights were straightforward 8-4 Ws for GGG...I did feel SD was the better man vs GGG, but still scored 6 rounds for GGG...but that GGG is pretty clearly not very close to the best version of himself that we've seen.

I just think people are glamorizing past greats a bit by over-stating their accolades relative to GGG...if GGG wasn't that great imo then Stevens would have knocked him down, or Lemieux...Rubio or Rosado or Geale or Macklin would have last 12 rounds...Murray would have gone 12 in a 8-4 type fight...Monroe would have fought GGG to a close fight in 12 rounds.

But none of those things happened...rolling through all of those quality opponents is just very impressive to me, especially when compared to the runs of past greats in any era...I just think the over-the-top slighting of GGG vs the propping up of past greats, who had worse defeats and not really any better/more victories, is a little off imo.

he is just a tough-guy puncher... albeit a very good one

how many minutes have you been following this sport ?

there have been plenty of tough-guy punchers

that is why he got handled by smaller fighters like Canelo and Derevy

the guys you refer to as " quality "... were just mid-level, made-to-order, no-hopers

Golovkin has faced 4 quality opponents... losing to 2 of them

the next level up are the guys you can refer to as great

[Boxing_1013]

he is just a tough-guy puncher... albeit a very good one

there have been plenty of tough-guy punchers

that is why he got handled by smaller fighters like Canelo and Derevy

the guys you refer to as " quality "... were just mid-level, made-to-order, no-hopers

Golovkin has faced 4 quality opponents... losing to 2 of them

the next level up are the guys you can refer to as great

The dude was an incredible am, winning a lot/hardly losing, winning a silver at the Olympics...maybe some heavies can win in the ams with limited skills, but I mean to have that success at MW is pretty good evidence the man has a lot of skills...also his jab is what has made him special imo, one of the best I have ever seen...that has helped to set up his power, which I agree is very very good.

Yeah man I disagree...only 2 tough/close fights I saw for GGG were vs Ouma early-ish in his career, which he ended definitively...and then vs SD, who I felt was better than GGG that night, but rd by rd I still had it 6-6 for a narrow GGG win...SD just got a bit unlucky imo that it wasn't a clear-ish 8-4 type victory for him...also with 4 of 6 of GGG's toughest fights (Canelo 2/Jacobs/SD) coming after 35+, it is probably fair to think this is not the best ever version of himself that we are seeing..his performance vs SD kind of solidified that view imo...I would also say that SD in my view did way better than Nelo (or Jacobs) did in his/their 2/3 fights with GGG.

Lemieux, Murray pretty clearly around the level of SD Canelo Jacobs...but because GGG smashed them I think those who want to slight GGG tend to leave them off the list of his..just my perception...but yeah as mentioned, from my analysis GGG's run vs a lot of those quality fighters is very rare, even for other ATGs...most have a slip up or two against those types of guys in their careers...as we say, styles make fights, and occasionally a 'lesser' fighter will pose a real challenge to a better fighter and can come away as the winner...GGG never had any real issues with any quality guys like that, except for Ouma, which he still 100% won.

Agree to disagree I suppose, don't really see the case against GGG being in the convo for GOAT at MW imo...certainly one of the ATGs there in that division.

Will be interesting to see what his career/future holds from here on out...physically I thought he looked pretty good vs SD, for whatever reason he just wasn't throwing the jab...but if that performance from him will be the norm going forward he should probably go on a little easy retirement tour, or retire...if he really wants Canelo 3 then go ahead I guess...but he will probably take more damage vs Nelo in fight 3 than he did vs SD, and that would be a lot, relatively speaking.

[aboutfkntime]

The dude was an incredible am, winning a lot/hardly losing, winning a silver at the Olympics...maybe some heavies can win in the ams with limited skills, but I mean to have that success at MW is pretty good evidence the man has a lot of skills...also his jab is what has made him special imo, one of the best I have ever seen...that has helped to set up his power, which I agree is very very good.

Yeah man I disagree...only 2 tough/close fights I saw for GGG were vs Ouma early-ish in his career, which he ended definitively...and then vs SD, who I felt was better than GGG that night, but rd by rd I still had it 6-6 for a narrow GGG win...SD just got a bit unlucky imo that it wasn't a clear-ish 8-4 type victory for him...also with 4 of 6 of GGG's toughest fights (Canelo 2/Jacobs/SD) coming after 35+, it is probably fair to think this is not the best ever version of himself that we are seeing..his performance vs SD kind of solidified that view imo...I would also say that SD in my view did way better than Nelo (or Jacobs) did in his/their 2/3 fights with GGG.

Lemieux, Murray pretty clearly around the level of SD Canelo Jacobs...but because GGG smashed them I think those who want to slight GGG tend to leave them off the list of his..just my perception...but yeah as mentioned, from my analysis GGG's run vs a lot of those quality fighters is very rare, even for other ATGs...most have a slip up or two against those types of guys in their careers...as we say, styles make fights, and occasionally a 'lesser' fighter will pose a real challenge to a better fighter and can come away as the winner...GGG never had any real issues with any quality guys like that, except for Ouma, which he still 100% won.

Agree to disagree I suppose, don't really see the case against GGG being in the convo for GOAT at MW imo...certainly one of the ATGs there in that division.

Will be interesting to see what his career/future holds from here on out...physically I thought he looked pretty good vs SD, for whatever reason he just wasn't throwing the jab...but if that performance from him will be the norm going forward he should probably go on a little easy retirement tour, or retire...if he really wants Canelo 3 then go ahead I guess...but he will probably take more damage vs Nelo in fight 3 than he did vs SD, and that would be a lot, relatively speaking.

if you think Golovkin is the GOAT middleweight, then you are a fkn moron

he does not even have 1 great win lol

you are a perfect example of a spastic casual-fan

when you said that Lemieux, Murray... are as good as Canelo Jacobs and Derevyanchenko... you sunk even lower than when you insisted that Murray Lemieux Monroe and Vanes, are better wins for Golovkin..... than Lara Cotto Trout and Mosley were, for Canelo

what a ret4rd



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